Hey, @MeanMrMustard, nice to hear that you're a believer in the Lord, lol...
"Pfft. Lol. And I'll believe when God creates a married bachelor."
I'm a married bachelor.
Haha!😆
(A lot of my coursework included studying evolutionary theory.)
"molecules don't care about life.
" first part deals with abiogenesis and the state of current research.
second part stephen meyer proposes intelligent design as an explanation of some of the problems.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bss0rxpsbuq.
Hey, @MeanMrMustard, nice to hear that you're a believer in the Lord, lol...
"Pfft. Lol. And I'll believe when God creates a married bachelor."
I'm a married bachelor.
Haha!😆
(A lot of my coursework included studying evolutionary theory.)
"molecules don't care about life.
" first part deals with abiogenesis and the state of current research.
second part stephen meyer proposes intelligent design as an explanation of some of the problems.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bss0rxpsbuq.
😆 Yeah, I'm so devastating. Such a horrid troll...😁😘🥰
"molecules don't care about life.
" first part deals with abiogenesis and the state of current research.
second part stephen meyer proposes intelligent design as an explanation of some of the problems.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bss0rxpsbuq.
Trolls and fairies. Sigh. The make-believe goes deeper than I thought. No wonder the logic doesn't sink in. Maybe someday when you stop believing in fairy stories you'll understand.
Good night, sleep tight, hope your bedtime Nick Lane fairy tale stories make you laugh at least. (That's all they're good for.😆)
while most talk about the end of reporting for publishers, i think the doctrinal change is even bigger.. repentance after start of gt still possible?
what does that mean for the judgement message, they pushed a bit lately?.
will that be really just before armageddon?
The WTBT$ message is so scrambled. They say incorrectly that Jesus was enthroned in 1914 and that around that time Babylon fell figuratively and that the WTBT$ was selected out of all Christendom to represent God and that the BOEs are in Jesus' hand and their judicial committees are like an extension of Christ.
Liars.
Jesus wasn't enthroned in in 1914. Babylon didn't fall yet. When it does everybody will know because the religious institutions will be dissolved. That will be evidence that Jesus is finally enthroned as King in Heaven and that he is figuratively riding the white horse with judgments against the religious institutions. That will also be the message for the 3 1/2 years of the tribulation, namely, once the religions fall the message will be that Jesus has finally taken the throne in heaven and the Kingdom will remove the governments at the end of that 3 1/2 year time period.
Mark 1:15
"The appointed time has been fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God has drawn near. Repent, and have faith in the good news.”
Matthew 10:7
"As you go, preach, saying: ‘The Kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.’"
The message has never changed. Until the Kingdom comes at the end of the 3 1/2 years of great tribulation, the message is the same. "Repent, the Kingdom is coming."
The Bible shows that many will repent during the 3 1/2 years of the great tribulation. It wasn't until the end of the plagues on Egypt that the people went out to the promised land. Some of the Egyptians and others who were not Hebrews went out with them, even though they didn't know a lot about Jehovah yet. It will be the same with those who survive the great tribulation. After all the plagues on religion, many will repent. Same when the plagues come on the governments. Many people won't know hardly anything about Jehovah yet but they will have the opportunity to learn later... "We will go with you people, for we have heard God is with you people" - they are included in that "great crowd out of all nations and tribes and tongues" who are redeemed because of Christ purchasing them with his own blood.
"molecules don't care about life.
" first part deals with abiogenesis and the state of current research.
second part stephen meyer proposes intelligent design as an explanation of some of the problems.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bss0rxpsbuq.
The real "god of the gaps" is the evolution fairy.
(I don't believe in fairies. But here is how the story goes...)
The evolution fairy says that magically "scientifically" once upon a time, a long long time ago nobody did anything and then stuff happened all by itself.
(And if somebody doesn't believe it when you tell them about the evolution fairy, act all huffy and condescending and just add in some fancy-sounding science vocab words and the names of some guys you heard about on the internet and add a few more millennia to the story and talk as if you know what you're talking about even though it's just make believe. Kids who make up stories do that all the time.)
The more gaps in the evolutionary timeline, the more big words you have to shove in to "splane it". You can even use a chart and a pointer stick to make it look more "scientific".
Evolution fairies are the gods of gaps.
(Evolutionary theory is a make believe story. It's sci-fi.)
i know there are several threads already on this "new light", but i didn't see one that covered this particular angle.. since the gb seem to have an ulterior motive for everything they do, well beyond their publicly stated reasons, i began to wonder why they would be concerned with pushing back the closing of the window of jesus' judgement.
this is especially puzzling because the doctrine of the start of great tribulation being the final cutoff was one that the gb seemed to especially revel in for so long.
they could hang it over everyone's heads as a looming threat.
Part of the reason the GB gets so many things wrong is because they approach understanding Jehovah from a business executive type of perspective rather than from the perspective of a child.
CT Russell wasn't looking at Jehovah in the way a child looks at his father. Russell was looking at Jehovah as a means to make a profit.
It's the same with the GB. If they were approaching Jehovah like children, then they would have known a long time ago some of the basic things that they are finally figuring out now. They still are completely blind to many of the basic truths about Jehovah. Jehovah had hidden a lot of it from them because they sought to use truth as a means of personal gain.
https://www.apfdigital.com.ar/despachos.asp?cod_des=392562.
"jehovah's witness of st. helena convicted of abuse was captured .
paraná, oct 13 (apfdigital) .
https://www.apfdigital.com.ar/despachos.asp?cod_des=392562
"Jehovah's Witness of St. Helena convicted of abuse was captured
Paraná, Oct 13 (APFDigital)
- After a search and capture operation, the Police arrested this Friday Pedro Matías Vargas, the member of Jehovah's Witnesses of Santa Elena, sentenced to 12 years in prison for sexual abuse who remained a fugitive after a month ago the Justice ordered his arrest and accommodation in Criminal Unit No. 1 of Paraná
According to what the Police indicated, agents of the La Paz Departmental Police Headquarters, in charge of the deputy departmental chief Gerardo Schumacher, and in conjunction with members of the Investigations Division of the Villa Mercedes Department of the Police of the Province of San Luis, after different investigations and crossings of permanent information, proceeded, on the date, to the arrest of Vargas, who will be transferred to this Province to serve the sentence of 12 years of effective prison ordered by Justice.
Last September, Justice had ordered the "immediate detention" of Pedro Matías Vargas, the Jehovah's Witness of Santa Elena sentenced in 2021 to 12 years in prison for abuse and corruption of minors. In the trial, which took place in the Courts of La Paz, Vito Panza was also found responsible for that crime, but in his case the file was sent to the Juvenile Justice because at the time the events occurred he had not reached the age of majority.
The decision was adopted after the ruling of the Criminal Chamber of the Superior Court of Justice (STJ) that on Tuesday, the 12th of last month rejected a federal extraordinary appeal filed by the defenders of Vargas and Panza, Roberto Alsina and Miguel Cullen, to take the case to the Supreme Court of Justice of the Nation. A court of first instance, the Criminal Cassation Chamber and the Criminal Chamber of the STJ had endorsed the decision of the guilt of both Witnesses in the abuses reported by two young people.
Belén was the first whistleblower. "I felt that everything I tried to do was going wrong in life, I blamed myself a lot for not being able to go out and now I feel able not to shut up and heal. And free me from all the bad things. I don't wish evil on anyone. I have a little resentment towards those people but now I'm no longer sorry, I'm freeing myself, now people have supported me," he said when he decided to make the situation of abuse public.
Bethlehem was raised under the rules of Jehovah's Witnesses and emphasizes that there she learned to respect the other. But there she lived an ordeal. As he denounced, he suffered touching by two ministerial servants of the Witnesses, one of the hierarchies reached by men within the cult. He temporarily points out that he endured abuse between the ages of 8 and 11.
The ministerial servant is in charge of helping the elders - the name given to the leaders of the congregation - to lead the meetings, give advice, guide the preaching, and give lectures at different points where there is a room of Jehovah's Witnesses. That is, they are the closest to the elderly.
•His battle began much earlier, in 2017
When he decided to tell the leaders of the organization what had happened to him, they read him a passage from the Holy Scriptures: "In the eyes of God, nothing goes unpunished." There was no punishment for the alleged abusers. Only one was taken away the "privilege" of being a ministerial servant, but he continued to go to the temple. Having to see that person still in the "salon" of the Witnesses motivated Belén to take another step: to leave the organization. I was 17 years old.
That year 2017, during the Lord's Supper - Holy Week for Catholics - Belén saw one of the abusers - who today lives in San Luis, Matías Vargas - visiting Santa Elena; and the memories returned, like those laughs that tormented her at school. He wanted to react, but he decompensated. She later chose to tell on Facebook what she experienced as a child. After telling it, her cousin, now 18 years old, also revealed that she went through the same situation. The first step of the group of elders of the Witnesses was to find out if Belén forced the other young woman, who is her cousin, to say what she said.
• Both became whistleblowers of Jehovah's Witnesses.
On March 19, 2021, a court made up of judges María Carolina Castagno, Elvio Garzón and Gustavo Pimentel sentenced Matías Vargas to 12 years in prison for the crime of aggravated sexual abuse and corruption of minors; while in the case of the other accused, Vito Luciano Panza, although he was also found responsible, the Juvenile Criminal Justice must intervene because at the time of the events he had not reached the age of majority.
On November 10, 2022, the Criminal Cassation Chamber of Paraná - composed of the members Marcela Badano, Marcela Davite and Alejandro Grippo - confirmed the ruling of first instance.
"The claim of the defense is based, like several of the grievances, on introducing fallacious reasoning," Badano said in a passage of the ruling, in which he described as correct the resolution of March 19, 2021, issued by the Court of Judgment and Appeals, composed of judges María Carolina Castagno, Gustavo Pimentel and Elvio Garzón.
The member considered the accusation of the Prosecutor's Office and the complaint proven: that the defendants abused the girls - now of legal age -: one from 9 to 11 years old; and another when she was between 10 and 11 years old. The complaints were formalized in April 2017, when the victims were 21 and 18 years old, respectively.
The conviction was endorsed last June by the Criminal Chamber of the Superior Court of Justice, which on Tuesday, September 12, thretched the federal appeal by denying the Court's way. After that, the arrest warrant for Jehovah's Witness Matías Vargas, a resident of San Luis, was activated, who must serve the 12-year sentence in Criminal Unit Nº 1, in Paraná, published Entre Ríos Ahora. (APFFDigital)"
"This is a Jehovah's Witness who was convicted last year of seriously outrageous sexual abuse. The man will be transferred to Entre Ríos to serve the sentence of 12 years in prison."
https://chajarialdia.com.ar/?p=230922
"Accused of abuse in Entre Ríos was captured by the Police in San LuisAgents of the La Paz Departmental Police Headquarters, in charge of Deputy Chief Commissioner Major Gerardo Schumacher, in collaboration with troops from the province of San Luis, captured Pedro Matías Vargas, the Jehovah's Witness who was wanted for the crime of seriously outrageous sexual abuse aggravated by the quality of minister of worship and in charge of custody, an event that occurred in the town of Santa Elena, in Entre Ríos.
The man must serve a 12-year prison sentence, imposed by the Oral Criminal Court No. 1 of Paraná on March 19, 2021. The case against him - and his brother-in-law Vito Panza - was opened in 2017, when two young people denounced the abuses that occurred between the ages of 8 and 11. When the case came to trial, in 2021, it was determined that the events occurred between March 2005 and March 2008; and between April 2010 and April 2011.
Regarding the arrest of Vargas, the Police realized that it took place in Villa Mercedes, San Luis after different investigations and crossings of permanent information.
It is expected that in the next few hours the detainee will be transferred to Entre Ríos to serve the sentence of 12 years of effective imprisonment.
Vargas' arrest warrant had been issued on September 13, but it was delayed in becoming effective since it was not found. It was then that the Court of Trial and Appeals of Paraná, which he understood in the case, issued Vargas' rebellion and issued an alert for his arrest. (Digital Analysis)"(Translated by Translate on iOS Apple)
1. doctrinal changes how new light comes about.
the gb raise questions then talk about it, unless it’s unanimous they wait, then years later talk again if it’s unanimous it then gets announced as new light.. 2. the gb are imperfect and sometimes make mistakes.
they are not to apologise or even admit they were wrong.
I'm not really into narcissist theory, I just think some people want to be worshipped, but I do agree with what you are saying as regards the GB being yucky, @NotFormer. They train their helpers to be the same way.
There were two new morning worship videos that came out today. The Joel Dellinger one wasn't too bad, only slightly vomitous. I mean, he misapplied some things (like saying the anointed will be installed when they are all sealed, which isn't true, they aren't installed until later) and a lot of blah blah blah about numbers and branch reports, a knee bend to the "faithful slave" idol - but overall, it wasn't as painful to listen to compared to the other morning worship video.
Harold Corkern has a Mr. Rogers-like presence, but then he stabs you in the stomach. The title is "Imitate God by Valuing Others and Their Work". I don't know how he can even give that talk without choking. How many humans does he ignore and shun and crush because of the antichrist disfellowshipping doctrine? What a hypocrite!
When there is a rough-edged grumpy elder who is mean to you, I think it's easier to deal with than the ones that pretend to be all super-holy and kind and gentle but then backstab or totally ignore you like you're worse than the scum on the bottom of a moldy shoe lost in the gutter. Those guys don't represent Jehovah at all. They're nasty.
Russell set the pattern for them. He pretended to be all holy, but then he treated his wife horribly. Jehovah saw it, and He sees all the naughty stuff these other WTBT$/GB/FD$ guys do and condone. They're not fooling God, and He's going to make an accounting.
"They truly are despicable."
just curious but how do the people off this forum find reddit.
for myself i find reddit to be sadly lacking in the jw world.
i just don't find the depth there e.g one sentence replies, trying to be funny.
My screen name on exjw/reddit was "Fragrant_Addendum_15", but I just deleted the account. Some of the mods there are worse than the JWBorg elders as regards being trigger happy to disfellowship/ban anyone who doesn't meet their expectations of the ideal human. They must be insecure or something. They didn't care if I posted stuff exposing the GB, but if I mention God in a positive way they freak. I was banned from the site for 90 days for posting the following comment (they called me a troll🤣):
"Like the days of Noah..."
Jehovah temporarily shut up the wombs of the women in Pharoah's household when Sarah was abducted in Egypt. There were other times recorded in the Bible that Jehovah prevented women from getting pregnant.
Noah's wife and the wives of his three sons did not have children for a certain period of time.
There were no babies or children who perished in the Flood. Jehovah always does what is right. He does not sweep away the righteous along with the wicked. Jehovah cut off their abilities to have children temporarily for a time after the Nephilim were around. That's part of why He waited 120 years before bringing the Flood.
In Noah's day, it must have seemed like a really long time to wait for Jehovah to act. Things were horrible. But Jehovah had a reason for waiting. It's the same today. When He acts to remove wickedness, it will be complete. The floodwaters covered the highest mountains and the lowest valleys. It was a sign for our day. When Jehovah cleans the world of wickedness in our day, it will be just as complete. It's worth waiting for.
Jehovah hasn't left us. Keep hanging in there. There is a God in the heavens who hears the cries of the righteous and the crushed. His Word is truth. The Kingdom of Christ did not come in the first century or in 1914, but it will begin soon. Keep on the watch. When Jesus takes the throne, the WTBT$ and other religious institutions will be cut down. The Bible shows there will be a time of tribulation for 3 1/2 years while the UN and associated nations do their thing, then they'll be dissolved too. Just like Jehovah took care of the Israelites day by day in the wilderness for 40 years, so He will do the same for us.
Mercy triumphs over judgment. The grace and undeserved kindness of the Christ are enough for us, when we are willing to apologize to God for our mistakes.🙂
"molecules don't care about life.
" first part deals with abiogenesis and the state of current research.
second part stephen meyer proposes intelligent design as an explanation of some of the problems.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bss0rxpsbuq.
Yeah, Nick Lane, for $18.95 you can find out the secrets of the universe...🤣🤣🤣Not!
At least he figured out how to make a few bucks - his book is basically taking the pattern from Hindu religion (a lot of talk about cycles and patterns and interconnectedness) and switch the words around, replace the "spirit" vocabulary with "science" vocab and stick a lot of four syllable words in everywhere, lol!
Here's an excerpt from Transformer: "If the Krebs cycle is ordained by thermodynamics, then it should take place spontaneously in some suitably propitious environment, even in the absence of genes. That idea was once dismissed as 'if pigs could fly' chemistry, yet revolutionary new work shows that at least some of the cycle can indeed just happen, catalysed by rocks and metals, rather than by proteins encoded by genes."
What a bunch of bunk! Blah blah blah...he's making it all up just like the GB make up the 1914 thing.
It's the same thing the GB do. What a sham! These guys cut and paste some bunch of lies from the dudes that came before them, just like the current GB cut and pastes from Russell's lies or Rutherford's lies. Then they add a new layer and charge a new fee. It's a bunch of refuse.
Evolutionary "science" isn't science as all. It's a big fiction show. They are book salesmen, just like Russell was.