Posts by EasyPrompt

...From a video posted in 2018: "Shawn Bartlett, records management overseer for the Watchtower, spends nearly an hour explaining the Witnesses' new record management policies."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBPZL2SiNj4&t=166s

This old 2015 article talks about destroying records too...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3175840/Jehovah-s-Witnesses-destroyed-1000-cases-child-sexual-abuse-1950-protect-wives-Royal-Commission-told.html

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No more judicial committee if maybe suicidal

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

the new direction in the new elders book is very clear.

absolutely no jd if there is a suspicion of suicidal thoughts.. this is obviously due to the high number of suicidal attempts after the announcement that someone is no longer a jw and the shunning that accompanied it.. so what will happen now going forward if situations arise where there would formerly have been a jd and they say there is suicidal thoughts?.

i can’t see it working, but elders stick rigidly to what it says in the book.

EasyPrompt

"Easyprompt I am an experienced elder, I have been in Bethel for many years and I suspect I know far more than you. As my name suggests I’m now out of Bethel but I go back there all the time. I was there at Chelmsford again recently.
Can I ask you what makes you think you know so much? Have you only recently been out or has it been a long time?
Can you tell me any Bethel Elders you know of on the service desk or on the Branch committee?
You sound like you do know some higher ups please tell me their names because I probably worked with them for years"

Since you "go back" to Bethel all the time, and you've worked with those Bethel Elders at the Service Department and on the Branch Committee, you can call them and validate what I shared with you on the other thread. I just spoke with Robert Ciranko on the phone the same day his "Morning Worship" on disfellowshipping came out a few weeks ago.

When he answered, I told him I had a question about disfellowshipping. He asked how I got his number. I told him the same way I researched the numbers to compile phone territories in the ministry. He said "that's fair". When he asked if I was one of Jehovah's Witnesses I said "yes" because I am a witness of Jehovah. (It was only after our conversation on the phone was over that I texted him and told him I've been disfellowshipped on false charges by lying elders, and I told him some other things - kindly of course.) He asked what congregation I am from, so I told him the congregation I have been affiliated with. When I attempted to ask him my question about disfellowshipping, regarding how the Bible shows justice takes place in the city gate and not in a backroom, he interrupted me and said I could send my question to the Service Department. I told him that when I write to the Service Department, they don't write back. He said to write to Patterson, and I told him I already have. He said to write again to the Service Department and put his name on it, that he said to write. I said "I can see you don't want to answer, that's okay." I was gracious and we said goodbye in a polite manner.

Since Seth Hyatt works in the Service Department and I have his cellphone number, I proceeded to text him my question.

I have also emailed the service department, legal department, and many other Bethelites time and again. The email addresses are simple, for the most part it's the Bethelite's first initial with the last name followed by "@jw.org". Other department emails such as "opi" and "pid" and "generalcounsel" and "hid" or "his" can be found on the website. Some are blocked from outside but some are not.

Tony Morris answered his cellphone when I called him last month, but after I said hello he didn't say anything else. I think he was scared. I had pressed "*67" before I dialed his number, so my phone came up unlisted and maybe he thought I was calling from somewhere else that comes up unlisted, same as when I dialed Robert Ciranko.

Robert Hendriks gave me his cellphone number. We met him at convention in May. He was outside with his wife at lunch. Even though I've been disfellowshipped for a year, I still talk to people because I don't believe in supporting antichrist doctrines. (I cannot go to anymore conventions/assemblies/KH now because I have been completely banned because they don't like it when I talk to my friends before and after the assemblies, even though I never talked about anything they would consider to be "apostate" - just small talk and hugging people I've known for 20 years. But it made the elders who disfellowshipped me mad.) I asked Robert if my kids and I could have a photo with him and his wife. When my tablet was slow in turning on, he offered to use his phone to have the photo taken, and then he texted it to me. We talked via texting over the course of the weekend. He told me I'm a good example. Robert said I should visit Bethel sometime. (I have in the past, but tours just opened up again recently and they were already booked he said until November, which I already knew because I had checked.) Then I texted him and told him I have been disfellowshipped for reporting abuse. You can see part of that conversation, I already posted it in this thread.

Last month, my kids and I did visit Warwick Bethel. We checked last minute and there were three tour cancellations for a day we were passing through the area. We talked with lots of people, took photos with them too. Eric Webber (in construction I guess, he talked a lot about Ramapo - actually stopped and got out of his car to help us take a photo, then he shared a scripture with me and my kids, even though he misapplied it about how the GB decides which way to go when choosing where to build - but he was nice enough.) None of the people knew I've been labeled "a wicked apostate deserving of death" by the local elders. They told me to come back and visit again. (Funny, because all the correspondence from Bethel and the CO and the local elders is about how "disruptive" they consider me to be. I have never disrupted a meeting or a convention or anything. They are slanderers and they are guilty of the very charges they've mislabeled me with: reviling and causing divisions.) Even the security brother took a photo with me and said to please come again.

ExBethelitenowPIMA, you can check all this stuff. Call your Service Department friends and your Branch friends if you want. Call Robert Ciranko and Tony. I'm not making this stuff up.

Shunning is wrong. It doesn't have Jehovah's holy spirit backing it. Tweaking the elders book won't fix it. Jehovah's sending Jesus to take down the Watchtower.

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Jehovah’s Witness elder alleges order to destroy evidence in child sex abuse cases

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/495802/jehovah-s-witness-elder-alleges-order-to-destroy-evidence-in-child-sex-abuse-cases.

rnz new zealand.

anusha bradley, investigative reporter.

EasyPrompt

"When an allegation of child abuse is made, church elders conduct a scriptual inquiry to determine guilt. According to its policies, drawn from the bible, there must be a confession from the perpetrator or at least two eyewitnesses to an incident.
Once guilt is established, three elders hold a judicial committee with the sinner to decide if they are repentant. If they are, the person may remain in the congregation but have certain privileges revoked. If unrepentant they are likely to be 'disfellowshipped' or excommunicated and shunned."

The JWborg makes this claim, but its policies are not drawn from the Bible. The Bible says shepherds should protect the sheep, even if there aren't any other "witnesses" to a wolf. You don't wait for witnesses to a wolf attack in order to rescue or comfort a bleeding sheep.

The facts show that time and again it is the victims in organization who are shunned and disfellowshipped and not the abusers.

The "church elders" among Jehovah's Witnesses follow the policies of some imperfect men at headquarters who are running a business organization without paying taxes.

"In June, The Jehovah's Witness church filed legal action seeking exemption from the commission's investigations, arguing it does not assume responsibility for the care of children, young people or vulnerable people. A hearing is set for October."

Of course they are seeking exemption. They are guilty and they don't want to be found out.

Of course they don't care for children, young people, or vulnerable people. They aren't really "shepherds" for the flock.

""There are ongoing High Court proceedings regarding whether the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses falls within the scope of the Abuse in Care Royal Commission of Inquiry," spokesman Tom Pecipajkovski said.
"Although our position is that Jehovah's Witnesses do not fall within the scope of the New Zealand Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care, we have carefully followed the Inquiry's direction on preservation of records. Accordingly, we strongly deny any suggestion of any "criminal offence" in this connection.
"Jehovah's Witnesses will continue to cooperate with the Inquiry if the Court decides they are in scope. In the meantime, we will not debate the issues in the court of public opinion.""

The Bible says "let justice take place in the city gate."

"The city gate" is in the open, where all eyes can see.

The WTBT$ has tried to hide its "judicial hearings" all these years and sweep the "blood" under the rug. Jehovah knows how bloodguilty these guys are. He's making sure the rest of the world sees what He's about to do.

The Nile River was the cause of death to many Israelite babies back in the days of the Pharoah. Jehovah had the Nile River plagued and turned to blood because of the bloodguilt of the Egyptian Pharoah and his cronies. Their false river god was powerless to stop that plague.

The religious institutions are bloodguilty. Jehovah's Witnesses are included in that bloodguilt. The plagues of Revelation are symbolic and include the judgment upon JWborg. The bloodguilt of the WTBT$ will be completely exposed. The GB/FDS idols are powerless to stop this plague.

Jehovah is the True God, and He will clear His name of reproach and take vengeance for all the little hurt sheep.

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Are we living in the LAST DAYS?

by Fisherman in

are we living in the prophetic last days that will climax into armageddon?

if this is true then how long should it take?

as jw saw it, wt compared timing to within a generation using 70 ad as a parallel.

EasyPrompt

The "toes" of the Daniel chapter 2 dream image haven't happened yet.

The "feet" of the Daniel chapter 2 dream image are the UN as dominant world power. We're not even at the feet yet, let alone the "toes".

The "stone" that crushes the image in Daniel chapter 2 is the kingdom with Jesus as king. Jesus wasn't king in 1914. When he becomes king, he'll kick Satan out of heaven and then the great tribulation will start on earth. That'll be the beginning of the 3 1/2 year "last days" of this system.

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Are we living in the LAST DAYS?

by Fisherman in

are we living in the prophetic last days that will climax into armageddon?

if this is true then how long should it take?

as jw saw it, wt compared timing to within a generation using 70 ad as a parallel.

EasyPrompt

When the great tribulation starts, the generation that sees it start will still be around for when the Armageddon conclusion comes, because it's only 3 1/2 years that "the last days leading to the climax of Armageddon" lasts.

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Are we living in the LAST DAYS?

by Fisherman in

are we living in the prophetic last days that will climax into armageddon?

if this is true then how long should it take?

as jw saw it, wt compared timing to within a generation using 70 ad as a parallel.

EasyPrompt

The "last days" of Jerusalem started in the first century. Then Jerusalem was destroyed.

The "last days" of this entire system begin once the great tribulation starts. Then it's 3 1/2 years of tribulation, "a short period of time".

So, no, we're not in the "last days leading to Armageddon" yet.

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No more judicial committee if maybe suicidal

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

the new direction in the new elders book is very clear.

absolutely no jd if there is a suspicion of suicidal thoughts.. this is obviously due to the high number of suicidal attempts after the announcement that someone is no longer a jw and the shunning that accompanied it.. so what will happen now going forward if situations arise where there would formerly have been a jd and they say there is suicidal thoughts?.

i can’t see it working, but elders stick rigidly to what it says in the book.

EasyPrompt

ExBethelitenowPIMA, here is something you said on a thread four months ago...

"the situation is many of us are PIMA and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe...that’s where I’m at."

I don't know why you are "putting on a front" but it is obvious you are putting on a front.

The shunning doctrine in the borg is not going to change. The borg is going to be torn down because shunning (and many of the other horrid doctrines) are not Jehovah's way, not Jesus' way, not the Bible way. God's way is love. Those guys at Bethel refuse to change. The elders refuse to change.

"'Come to Bethʹel and commit transgression...'" (Amos 4:4)

Jehovah knows what goes on at Bethel and on the elder bodies. He has been warning those guys at Bethel.

"But you did not come back to me,’ declares Jehovah." (Amos 4:9)

Jehovah has not changed. (Malachi 3:6) He has allowed the nations to "devour" His Name People before. (Joel 1:2-4)) He's about to do it again. (Amos 3:7)

"Get ready to meet your God." (Amos 4:12)

The Bethels will not survive the great tribulation. All the properties and real estate and investments and KHs currently owned by the JWborg will be completely taken away by the governments in the days ahead. It's as good as done.

ExBethelitenowPIMA, you'd be wise to warn your buddies at Bethel that they better find new housing, preferably sooner rather than later.

"For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie." (Habakkuk 2:3)

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No more judicial committee if maybe suicidal

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

the new direction in the new elders book is very clear.

absolutely no jd if there is a suspicion of suicidal thoughts.. this is obviously due to the high number of suicidal attempts after the announcement that someone is no longer a jw and the shunning that accompanied it.. so what will happen now going forward if situations arise where there would formerly have been a jd and they say there is suicidal thoughts?.

i can’t see it working, but elders stick rigidly to what it says in the book.

EasyPrompt

"Can you tell me any Bethel Elders you know of on the service desk or on the Branch committee?"

It wouldn't be proper for me to give out their entire personal cellphone numbers, but I have spoken with or texted with the following individuals in the past few months (as I already explained to you on that other linked thread that you didn't read)...

M Steven Lett (514) 560-xxxx

Seth Hyatt (251) 228-xxxx

Robert Ciranko (845) 270-xxxx

Tony Morris (914) 282-xxxx

Robert Hendriks (631) 553-xxxx

I told them I wouldn't share their personal cellphone numbers, because that would be rude.

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No more judicial committee if maybe suicidal

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

the new direction in the new elders book is very clear.

absolutely no jd if there is a suspicion of suicidal thoughts.. this is obviously due to the high number of suicidal attempts after the announcement that someone is no longer a jw and the shunning that accompanied it.. so what will happen now going forward if situations arise where there would formerly have been a jd and they say there is suicidal thoughts?.

i can’t see it working, but elders stick rigidly to what it says in the book.

EasyPrompt

ExBethelitenowPIMA, you started three threads in the past five days where plenty of ex-JWs who have experienced shunning poured out their heart to you in response to topics including suicidal feelings and what could be changed in the borg.

Did you even read what most of them posted? Did you try to commend them or comfort them, especially the ones who have been through the ringer?

Nope. You didn't even notice.

Do you really care about "change" in the borg? Do you really care about "shepherding" the flock?

These guys in the borg don't care either.

"Easyprompt I am an experienced elder, I have been in Bethel for many years and I suspect I know far more than you. As my name suggests I’m now out of Bethel but I go back there all the time. I was there at Chelmsford again recently.
Can I ask you what makes you think you know so much? Have you only recently been out or has it been a long time?
Can you tell me any Bethel Elders you know of on the service desk or on the Branch committee?
You sound like you do know some higher ups please tell me their names because I probably worked with them for years"

Here are few pictures of some people I know at Bethel...

One of the elders in my old KH has tuned pianos at Bethel as a commuter for years. His name is Mel. He was at Bethel in his younger years. His son, Jeffrey, has worked as Mark Sanderson's secretary. Sam is also from my old hall. You might know Neil and his wife, they're from England. You've probably heard of Robert Hendriks before too.

If you would read the links I shared with you on the other thread, you would see these things for yourself. I've already given you plenty of evidence that I know what I'm talking about when I tell you the elders don't care, the branch doesn't care, the GB doesn't care.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6553089276903424/three-amish-bishops-who-told-woman-rescind-protective-order-against-husband-guilty-intimidation