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The rules and culture that keep child sex offenders hidden from followers of the JW's faith

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/495876/the-rules-and-culture-that-keep-child-sex-offenders-hidden-from-followers-of-the-jehovah-s-witness-faith.

rnz new zealand.

anusha bradley, investigative reporter.

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"A congregant who is an unrepentant perpetrator of domestic abuse or child abuse is expelled from the congregation and is no longer considered one of Jehovah's Witnesses."...says JW spokesperson Tom Pecipajkovski.

What a pack of liars the JW spokesperson and the branches are! The congregation hierarchy covers for known and active abusers every day, and most of the rank and file just look the other way.

"The elders are basically 'yes men'. Anything that came from the branch, anything in the elders manual we followed religiously...So as long as the current policies exist, children are not safe at all." ...says Narayan.

Narayan is right. How I look forward to the day the WatchTower falls and her branches are completely leveled.

Isaiah 32:13-19

"For the fortified tower has been forsaken;

The noisy city has been abandoned.

Oʹphel and the watchtower have become a permanent wasteland,

A delight for wild donkeys,

A pasture for the flocks,

Until the spirit is poured out on us from above,

And the wilderness becomes an orchard,

And the orchard is regarded as a forest.

Then justice will reside in the wilderness,

And righteousness will dwell in the orchard.

The result of true righteousness will be peace,

And the fruitage of true righteousness will be lasting tranquility and security.

My people will dwell in a peaceful abiding place,

In secure dwellings and in tranquil resting-places.

But the hail will flatten the forest,

And the city will be completely leveled."

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What the Elders Book Actually says about Suicide and Judicial Hearings for Disfellowshipping

by EasyPrompt in

"the shepherd the flock of god elders’ manual had instruction to take notes, sign and file them in judicial cases where the accused threatens suicide.

this instruction was removed in 2020. pic 1 is 2019 version, pic 2 is from a 2020 edition.

it remains the same in 2023.

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"The Shepherd the Flock of God elders’ manual had instruction to take notes, sign and file them in judicial cases where the accused threatens suicide. This instruction was removed in 2020. Pic 1 is 2019 version, pic 2 is from a 2020 edition. It remains the same in 2023." (larchington)

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/15rl6cr/the_shepherd_the_flock_of_god_elders_manual_had/

It appears the JWborg is just trying to cover their tracks so they don't get more legal ramifications. "Destroy the evidence" same as for CSA. There is nothing new under the sun.

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What does this even mean?

by Blotty in

"the son is born of the father by generation, but generation should not be understood in the everyday sense.

the son is derived from the father through pure spiritual generation, through the unlimited sharing of his essence.

so, the birth of the son is an intellectual activity of god.".

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"The Son is born of the Father by generation, but generation should not be understood in the everyday sense. The Son is derived from the Father through pure spiritual generation, through the unlimited sharing of His essence. So, the birth of the Son is an intellectual activity of God."

"sounds like a bunch of garbage to me"

Yeah, it does, garbage and make-believe.

I wonder if whoever wrote that quote could imagine sitting behind a desk in a busy office with eyes closed, head down, and the manager comes over saying "where's my report?" and the desk clerk says "shh!!! I'm generating it through pure spiritual sharing of my unlimited essence!" Lol!😆 Probably get fired...

I am not "scholarly" but I like what the Bible says on the topic of the birth of the Son of God.

Genesis 1:26

"Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness.""

We are God's children. We're like Him.

Ecclesiastes 2:24

"There is nothing better for a man than to eat and drink and find enjoyment in his hard work. This too, I have realized, is from the hand of the true God."

God invented work for us because He works. He enjoys work, and we enjoy good work too.

Hebrews 4:4

"For in one place he has said of the seventh day as follows: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works,”"

If "all his work" was just "an intellectual activity" involving "sharing essences" then God wouldn't be said to have to need "rest". It's not like He stops thinking. Work takes effort, even for God. It costs Him something. "Rest" is more than desisting from intellectual activity because "hard work" is more than "an intellectual activity".

Luke 22:44

"But he was in such agony that he kept praying more earnestly; and his sweat became as drops of blood falling to the ground."

Jesus was a perfect man and some of his "work" worked up a bloody sweat. How much more so God's work is actively intense at times!

Colossians 1:15,16

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible."

Jesus helped Jehovah make everything in heaven and on earth, both the physical things and the spiritual things.

In order to be used by God to create all other things in heaven and on earth, Jesus had to be bigger and more powerful than anything else he helped create in heaven or on earth.

It must have taken more work for Jehovah to make Jesus than it took Him to make anything else. It certainly took more than "intellectual activity" or "unlimited sharing of essence", whatever that means. It was probably the most strenuous, involved, detailed, intense creative work Jehovah had ever done. (Until He resurrected Jesus to an even higher position after his complete death...then He had to completely recreate Jesus and with all the memories he'd had before death.)

John 5:17

"...he answered them: “My Father has kept working until now, and I keep working.”"

Jesus was the Master Worker, but he learned everything he knows from His Father.

While on earth, Jesus hung out more with fishermen and workers and "people of the earth" types more than intellectual Sadducee/Pharisee/scribe types. He enjoyed conversation and exchanging ideas, but Jesus wasn't exactly the type to just sit around "generating" by means of "sharing essence". He was a "get 'er done" kind of guy. He learned from his Dad, because that's how Jehovah is too.

(Maybe whoever wrote that quote about "intellectual sharing essence activity" stuff was just reflecting their preferred style of "work".😉 And possibly they'd never had a baby. In a perfect pregnancy, even if there wasn't any labor pain, the amount of work that goes on in the body - to build a new organ, the placenta, in order to support the life of the child while it's growing - so much work! No way could it be called "generation by intellectual activity". We are made in God's image, and the work in the physical realm is a pale reflection of the work that goes on in the heavenly realm. When we work for something, we appreciate it more. God worked for Christ's "birth" in the heavens more than He'd worked for anything. That's why His sacrifice was the best most amazing gift He could ever give us to show His Amazing Love💖.)

Romans 8:35-39

"Who will separate us from the love of the Christ? Will tribulation or distress or persecution or hunger or nakedness or danger or sword? Just as it is written: “For your sake we are being put to death all day long; we have been accounted as sheep for slaughtering.” On the contrary, in all these things we are coming off completely victorious through the one who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to come nor powers nor height nor depth nor any other creation will be able to separate us from God’s love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

He'll never leave us. He's worked too hard to regain the family to just give it up. We can be absolutely confident that He and His Son will always come to rescue us.

It's even as captured by the poet's measure:

"Dear Lord, my heart shall no more doubt

That thou dost compass me about

With sympathy divine.

The Love for me once crucified

Is not the love to leave my side.

But waiteth ever to divide

Each smallest care of mine."

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Anthony Morris III demoted to Great Crowd!

by Vanderhoven7 in

well, that is my prediction for 2024 anyway!

hey, if watchtower can speculate..... https://youtu.be/dn8askhhwkw.

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Sounds boring to me.

https://gifdb.com/images/high/bored-statler-and-waldorf-hk9b2473joliura4.webp

ExBethelitenowPIMA, I thought you said you liked going to the meetings for all the "deep Bible study"? 🤣

It must be so difficult for a busy elder like you to have to do parts and study and have time to take little old ladies to visit Bethel and still keep up with all the gossip about little old men.

Come to think of it, you must be getting up there in age yourself. How many decades did you say you served at Bethel? And to be mucking around with all the, how did you put it, "higher ups"? You must have that "special mightiness", like Moses! 💪💥

You'd better learn to pace yourself if you want to continue your "matured" Physically-fit-In your Mentally-Agnostic (PIMA) state. 👴🏼

(I can tell you're really concerned for Tony - maybe you should just write letters to him instead of getting so worked up online about him - it would be too bad for you to get sick over it. Sometimes letter writing is less stressful for the older ones.)

Be well and take care, dear "Elder" brother! 😉

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Are we living in the LAST DAYS?

by Fisherman in

are we living in the prophetic last days that will climax into armageddon?

if this is true then how long should it take?

as jw saw it, wt compared timing to within a generation using 70 ad as a parallel.

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Hi Cofty - 🙂

Why do you say he "failed"? What exactly were you expecting - the kingdom to appear instantly?

He said it would be a long time.

Evolutionary theorists are "content" to think it took billions and billions of years for a frog to turn into a prince, and they say that's a "success" story.

By those standards, a mere 2000 years is a miracle, not a failure.

The verses you are misquoting about "we have left wives for you etc etc" in context are about religious fakers who weren't following Jesus.

Perhaps you are the one with the comprehension problem?🤷🏼‍♀️

You are reading thing back into the gospels that cannot be honestly read out of them."

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Are we living in the LAST DAYS?

by Fisherman in

are we living in the prophetic last days that will climax into armageddon?

if this is true then how long should it take?

as jw saw it, wt compared timing to within a generation using 70 ad as a parallel.

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It definitely takes someone with wisdom to understand all the phenomena of the "last days". 😁

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUUkhwaWP68&t=127s

Job 38:36

"Who put wisdom within the clouds

Or gave understanding to the sky phenomenon?"

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Are we living in the LAST DAYS?

by Fisherman in

are we living in the prophetic last days that will climax into armageddon?

if this is true then how long should it take?

as jw saw it, wt compared timing to within a generation using 70 ad as a parallel.

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Hi Cofty.🙂 The reason I like you so much is because you are honest about you feel and clear. It is refreshing to me. Thank you. 🌷

"For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and whoever has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not accept his torture stake and follow after me is not worthy of me."

Jesus was preaching in a time that in some ways is similar to what we've experienced in a JW KH. His "brothers and sisters" in the "faith" were following the doctrines of men instead of the clear teachings of love. He knew that they would suffer if they disregarded the Pharisaical teachings, like the man who was kicked out and shunned for being willing to recognize Jesus.

Jesus wasn't going around telling people to leave their families. He was acknowledging that it takes courage to stand up for what is right, and that when we take a stand for what is right, sometimes even people in our own family or community or social group give us a hard time.

We have to be willing to do the right thing even if we get opposition from our family members, even if they disfellowship us or shun us. That's what he was telling them. "Don't be surprised. If you do the right thing, it's gonna be difficult for you."

Jesus went to parties, drank wine, ate with friends, sang songs. He went on hikes and fished. He said "as you go, preach". A first century housewife could talk about good things at the well while fetching water. The guys in the field could talk while working. Jesus knew he only had a little time on earth to train Peter and John and Matthew those guys, so he asked them to put certain things on hold for a little while, but it wasn't at the cost of their families. He knew their situations and he didn't ask them to do anything that would be too much for them. He was able to provide food for them when they needed it.

That Jesus expected Christians to work for their keep and provide for their families is clear in the gospels and in Paul's writings. Jesus gave illustrations about working diligently. It wasn't just about "the ministry". Most of Jesus' work was providing for and caring for poor people in a physical way. He only taught them after he fed and healed them. Jesus communicated with Paul; they were on the same page. Christians are not expected to live off somebody else's "donations" - they are expected to work to take care of their families first. "The one who doesn't take care of his family is worse than one who disowns the faith."

What the JWborg teaches regarding sacrificing family on the "altar" in order to do "ministry" is contrary to Christ's teachings. The JWborg does just like the Pharisaical corban teaching: "They have made the word of God invalid by their traditions." The JWborg leaders want slaves to work for them and sacrifice their families to do it. They are horrid.

Jesus said to stay away from the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

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Are we living in the LAST DAYS?

by Fisherman in

are we living in the prophetic last days that will climax into armageddon?

if this is true then how long should it take?

as jw saw it, wt compared timing to within a generation using 70 ad as a parallel.

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Oh, Cofty, I really really like you a lot but you're silly sometimes.🙂

Why do you say Jesus believed he was living in the last days? Did you ask him?

He did correctly prophesy about the first-century attack on Jerusalem. But he was also talking about a future "last days" for religious institutions worldwide.

The JWborg version of "the last days" doctrine is a mixture of Paul's words in 2 Timothy 3 with certain parts of Revelation and the gospels, which, as with many JWdoctrines, is mixed up, taken out of context, and misleading.

Paul was talking about what the congregations would be like in all of Christendom, including like what we see in JWborg-land. "A form of godly devotion but proving false to its power." Paul wasn't talking about some kind of measuring stick of the world for a 1914-prophecy thing.

Jesus said there would be fakers doing false prophecy. Those fakers aren't following Jesus' footsteps - they are proof that he was telling the truth.

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No more judicial committee if maybe suicidal

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

the new direction in the new elders book is very clear.

absolutely no jd if there is a suspicion of suicidal thoughts.. this is obviously due to the high number of suicidal attempts after the announcement that someone is no longer a jw and the shunning that accompanied it.. so what will happen now going forward if situations arise where there would formerly have been a jd and they say there is suicidal thoughts?.

i can’t see it working, but elders stick rigidly to what it says in the book.

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How long did it take for the Berlin Wall to fall? Was it expected?

When Babylon was conquered by Medo-Persia, it was in one night.

When WatchTower falls, the wall that separates shunned ones from their families and friends will be removed, as if in one night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4RjJKxsamQ

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No more judicial committee if maybe suicidal

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

the new direction in the new elders book is very clear.

absolutely no jd if there is a suspicion of suicidal thoughts.. this is obviously due to the high number of suicidal attempts after the announcement that someone is no longer a jw and the shunning that accompanied it.. so what will happen now going forward if situations arise where there would formerly have been a jd and they say there is suicidal thoughts?.

i can’t see it working, but elders stick rigidly to what it says in the book.

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True, the USA is a place of religious freedoms, but it's also a place that promotes other types of "freedoms" at well. The way these "freedoms" balance each other out can change at any time.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/03/us/utah-bible-ban-schools-trnd/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jun/21/utah-bible-school-libraries-ban-reversed

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2023/07/18/leon-schools-told-to-ban-bible-after-banning-books-for-moms-for-liberty/70420067007/

On and off Bible bans, court cases, investigations.

The wind is already blowing. It won't take much for the WatchTower to fall at God's appointed time for the nations.

"After this I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth, so that no wind could blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree..." (Revelation 7:1)

The angels have been holding back the winds; they have been exercising a restraint, until the appointed times of the nations to destroy the religious institutions.

"And now you know what is acting as a restraint, so that he will be revealed in his own due time. True, the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work, but only until the one who is right now acting as a restraint is out of the way. Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence." (2 Thessalonians 2:6-8)

Once the angels let go of the "winds", the religious institutions will be gone, lickety-split. It'll be quick and complete.

"And a strong angel lifted up a stone like a great millstone and hurled it into the sea, saying: “Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again."" (Revelation 18:21)

When the JWborg institution is gone, the false doctrines will go with it. The disfellowshipping doctrine will be gone soon, into the figurative fiery furnace.

"...in the conclusion of the system of things. The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness, and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace."