Posts by EasyPrompt

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How many people thought about suicide after they were disfellowshipped

by Lee Marsh in

i know i was suicidal before i was disfellowshipped.

and it got worse after i left.

one night a friend told me that he went home the night before and wasn't sure if he would ever hear from me again.

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BethSarim said: "These guys may lose this position of "power" sooner than you think."

That will be a happy day!🥳🎉😃🥰🌷💞

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How many people thought about suicide after they were disfellowshipped

by Lee Marsh in

i know i was suicidal before i was disfellowshipped.

and it got worse after i left.

one night a friend told me that he went home the night before and wasn't sure if he would ever hear from me again.

(I hope any of those crushed by the horrid disfellowshipping doctrine or by the ungodly pressure of the WTBT$ or by any of life's anxieties get the comfort they need to endure the pain. We only have to get through one minute at a time. Suicide is never the answer, and the sun always comes up eventually💖.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuBRanfmz6s

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How many people thought about suicide after they were disfellowshipped

by Lee Marsh in

i know i was suicidal before i was disfellowshipped.

and it got worse after i left.

one night a friend told me that he went home the night before and wasn't sure if he would ever hear from me again.

EasyPrompt

(I will private message you, @stanlivedeath🙂)

Some disfellowshipped people don't have access to a lot of outside help.

For instance, if one mate is abusive and still in the JWBorg, and the other mate is disfellowshipped and there are children, the congregation will support the abusive JWBorg mate, even providing legal assistance to the abusive JWBorg member in an attempt to prevent the disfellowshipped mate from having full custody of the children if she tried to get away.

Also there are times the disfellowshipped mate is financially cut off because the abusive JWBorg member withholds finances and an opportunity to work as punishment for the disfellowshipped mate. The disfellowshipped mate may have to stay "hostage" to the JWBorg member in order to protect the children. The abusive JWBorg member may also prevent the disfellowshipped mate from cultivating relationships outside the home in other ways.

The congregation elders and Bethel promote such "hostage" situations. Suicide is never the answer, but for some in such situations, the idea of being able to go to sleep to get away from the torture is very tempting.

The JWBorg dictators are bloodguilty for creating such situations and promoting abuse and shunning. They are evil, and many, many people will rejoice and feel free once they are removed from their positions of power.

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How many people thought about suicide after they were disfellowshipped

by Lee Marsh in

i know i was suicidal before i was disfellowshipped.

and it got worse after i left.

one night a friend told me that he went home the night before and wasn't sure if he would ever hear from me again.

EasyPrompt

"So did you think about it?
Was it related to being disfellowshipped and then shunned?"

Yes and yes.

"My sister tried many times before finally succeeding in 2005.
At a Meetup group I attended all 9 people in attendance said they had thought about suicide after they were disfellowshipped or left and experienced the shunning."

The couple decades I was in, there were four suicides associated with just that one congregation, some related to shunning. There were other attempted suicides I knew about in other congregations.

"The impact on a person's life it massive. You immediately lose every person, your way of life, even your God."

There were a few people I knew who did not follow the JWBorg shunning procedures and kept doing their best to encourage me in small ways after I was disfellowshipped, but they had to be covert about it or else they would have consequences. My husband is still in and if the congregation found out other "JWs" were talking to me, they could get in trouble. Some of them had other family responsibilities and had to balance loyalties.

While it does change things in a shocking way, being disfellowshipped has many blessings. And even though the JWBorg people like to say that disfellowshipped people are "separated from God" they are liars about that. You don't lose God. I am closer to Him than ever. He's the One who got me through the darkest moments, and He continues to get me through them now.

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Were the life spans of the patriarchs just an allegory of astronomical cycles?

by was a new boy in

lengths of life of the patriarchs.

genesis.

length of life.

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"just a hopelessly incurable smartass. The rest of my arguments were sincere."

It's all good, @Vidiot, I am the same way.🙂

"I actually have no issues with the Bible; in fact I’m a big fan of fantasy, horror, and graphic violence (being a smartass again, can’t help it, sorry). 😁"

😝(Stuck my tongue out at you, sorry can't help it...😁)

"his...he..."

I'm not a "he", I'm a "she". I didn't have it on my profile, sorry.

Hope you have a good day, @Vidiot.🌷

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Chessa Manion: When A Victim Becomes The Perp

by NonCoinCollector in

this is a hard one for me to write and words can't describe my frustration in seeing this.

from wbko news: .

bowling green, ky. (wbko) - bowling green police have arrested two people on multiple charges following a rape.. police say the victim told them she was kidnapped, raped, and assaulted.. police also say the rape was recorded by a man named colton hogendorn, who was arrested after police found him on 25 chestnut street.. hogendorn is charged with rape first degree, kidnapping, strangulation, assault, sodomy, and video voyeurism.. police also arrested chessa manion, who was present during the events, and arrested and charged with complicity to the same charges.. both were taken to the warren county regional jail.. .

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(Just sent you a private message, @Chessam89💞)

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Chessa Manion: When A Victim Becomes The Perp

by NonCoinCollector in

this is a hard one for me to write and words can't describe my frustration in seeing this.

from wbko news: .

bowling green, ky. (wbko) - bowling green police have arrested two people on multiple charges following a rape.. police say the victim told them she was kidnapped, raped, and assaulted.. police also say the rape was recorded by a man named colton hogendorn, who was arrested after police found him on 25 chestnut street.. hogendorn is charged with rape first degree, kidnapping, strangulation, assault, sodomy, and video voyeurism.. police also arrested chessa manion, who was present during the events, and arrested and charged with complicity to the same charges.. both were taken to the warren county regional jail.. .

EasyPrompt

Hi, Chessa, I wasn't on the forum before, so I don't really know about your situation, but I am sorry things have been so difficult. It sounds like there are all kinds of crazy misunderstandings and a lot of pain. I am sorry about the pain. I hope everybody can have as much peace as possible today. 🌷🫶

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Goodbye Mother

by punkofnice in

jw
friends

so my mother passed on 20 aug 23 from the big c. i was there when she went.

that was indeed very traumatic.

i won't go to describe it.. dad went 17 years ago so there's just me now.

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😢💔I am so sorry, punkofnice.

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Were the life spans of the patriarchs just an allegory of astronomical cycles?

by was a new boy in

lengths of life of the patriarchs.

genesis.

length of life.

EasyPrompt

If that was true, then you would love me. But you've already shown how you feel about me. Good night. Again.

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Were the life spans of the patriarchs just an allegory of astronomical cycles?

by was a new boy in

lengths of life of the patriarchs.

genesis.

length of life.

EasyPrompt

Here, let me help you, @PioneerSchmioneer, since you suddenly seem to have trouble typing, perhaps this older post of yours is a better sample of your regular writing style, it's on the same kind of topic anyway...

"I taught Christian theology for 10 years after I got my education upon leaving the Watchtower. That is the stupidest thing I ever heard.
While many Jews do indeed teach (and believe) that Adam and Eve were historical--for they believe their graves are found at Machpelah or the modern cite of The Cave of the Patriarchs/Ibrahimi Mosque--Jews also teach that the narrative of the Garden of Eden (Gan Eden) is mythology.
When Jesus makes reference to it (Matthew 12:3, 5; 19;4; 22:31; Mark 12:10, 26; Luke 6:3), he does so NOT as if he is making an example of the past or of history. He is always discussing Torah, making a specific reference to a statement in the law itself, supporting a point he is making by adding: "Have you not read...?" or "Is it not written...?" He is a rabbi teaching Torah, not history.
The narratives in Torah, after all, are not historical narratives. All of them are there to teach the Jews Torah, the Law. If they were historical narratives, they would be in the Talmud, such as the most historical narrative about Abraham in all of Judaism, namely,Abraham and the Idol Shop. That narrative does not appear in Genesis or any part of the Torah or in the Hebrew Bible at all. It is in the Talmud. Why? Because the only narratives in the Torah teach references that illustrate points on carrying out the Mosaic Law. Actual Jewish history about the Patriarchs is not found there.
Jews kept their history separate from the Scriptures. The Scriptures is a religious book, not a history book.
Jesus was a rabbi, not a historian. So when he was debating with other rabbis and scribes, they debated religion--not history.
The religion of the Jehovah's Witnesses counts the events in Genesis (which is in the Torah) as historical narrative. These narratives are not historical. They are either mythology, legend, or folklore. And they are chosen only because they illustrate to Jews how to carry out the Mosaic Law. (For example, Genesis chapter 1 teaches the Jews to keep the Sabbath. Since God is seen keeping Sabbath, and man and woman are made in God's image, then Jews must keep the Sabbath. Get it?)
If the narrative had no such direct bearing on keeping the Torah, it did not get placed into it. The Torah was composed and finalized around the time of the Babylonian Exile. Around the same time, other narratives of the Patriarchs, like the above-mentionedAbraham and the Idol Shop, began to be assembled in the foundational writings of what would eventually become the Babylonian Talmud. More Jews know this story about Abraham than they do any narrative in Genesis.
One last point, one need only read the Church Fathers--writings assembled before the New Testament was universally circulated and canonized--to note that the first Christians agreed with the Jews that the story of the Garden of Eden was symbolic. This is why the author of Acts constantly refers to the cross of Christ as a "tree" (in Greek, xylon--see Acts 5:30; 10:39; 13:29). The idea was that the "Tree of Life" in the Garden of Eden was the Cross of Christ, and that Jesus was the "New Adam" who gave his "flesh and blood" and the "fruit" that gave everlasting life. When Jesus gave Mary as his mother into the care of his beloved disciple, she become the "New Eve" for the Church at large--and thus entry to the Garden was ended since it was symbolic, and the whole thing was now over as far as Christians were concerned. This inspired Christian writers to continue to use the symbol of the "tree" ever after, especially since a cross is wood and looks like a tree.--Gal 3:13; 1 Pe 2:24.
You can't make any Bible chronology out of something that the early Church said was symbolic. You have to be an idiot or someone who just doesn't or won't read the Church Fathers.
I know the Watchtower didn't do that, because they're a cult.
But even atheists and agnostic know history. It's what they call "critical/analytical study."
Duh."

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6350947916185600/bible-chronology-true?page=6#/4831807246172160

Critical/analytical study reveals a lot of things. There is no one who can do a deeper critical/analytical study than God, and He reveals what He wants to whomever He wants, even to lowly ones.

The patriarchal accounts in the Bible are accurate and measured in real years, not "allegorical" time.

Ecclesiastes 3:11

"He has even put eternity in their heart."