Even when the elder body knows about the abuse, the organization trains them to care more about the "image" of the organization than about the victims of abuse.
part 1 arc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erWV8YnTFto
part 2 arc
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Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?
by Vanderhoven7 ini hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.
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Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?
by Vanderhoven7 ini hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.
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Many of those documents are linked here...
When a congregation member is hurt, the "Governing Body" runs away. They don't apologize. They don't "shepherd". They don't man-up and acknowledge their part in the problem. They hide behind their legal department. There is a reason they are hiding. They are bloodguilty.
They cannot hide forever. (Revelation 19:1,2)
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They still call it Pizza but it doesn’t taste like it anymore.
by Fisherman ini remember as a kid that a slice of pizza was a dime, the same price for a large bag of m&ms or a large hershey’s bar or an ice cream popsicle, box of cracker jacks, bag of potato chips, bus fare.
the dimes were made out of silver and many of them were mercury dimes with the dates worn off.
…and while nowadays except for the pizza, everything tastes about the same only now costing 10 times as much, bus fare costs 28x as much and pizza costs 40x as much:.
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Even though I live in figurative "East Podunk" now, at one time I went to school/worked in an metropolitan area.
"The main drawback to a bus, at least in most of the US is that investment in public transit is minimal. I remember in my early 20's, I was without a car for a few months. I took the bus to work, and what would have been a 10 minute car ride took an hour on the bus because of the convoluted route it had to take to try to serve as many people as possible."
"Bummed is what you are when you go out to your car and it's been towed" because then you need to take the bus. True dat.😝
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They still call it Pizza but it doesn’t taste like it anymore.
by Fisherman ini remember as a kid that a slice of pizza was a dime, the same price for a large bag of m&ms or a large hershey’s bar or an ice cream popsicle, box of cracker jacks, bag of potato chips, bus fare.
the dimes were made out of silver and many of them were mercury dimes with the dates worn off.
…and while nowadays except for the pizza, everything tastes about the same only now costing 10 times as much, bus fare costs 28x as much and pizza costs 40x as much:.
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They still call it Pizza but it doesn’t taste like it anymore.
by Fisherman ini remember as a kid that a slice of pizza was a dime, the same price for a large bag of m&ms or a large hershey’s bar or an ice cream popsicle, box of cracker jacks, bag of potato chips, bus fare.
the dimes were made out of silver and many of them were mercury dimes with the dates worn off.
…and while nowadays except for the pizza, everything tastes about the same only now costing 10 times as much, bus fare costs 28x as much and pizza costs 40x as much:.
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A lot of places around here, the pizza doesn't taste much different than the box it's delivered in.
Once upon a time a long time ago I worked in a pizza shop and learned how to hand toss dough without getting it stuck on the ceiling or dropping it on the floor (most of the time)😜. So we just make our own pizza at home, turn the oven way up to 500 degrees, bake about 8 minutes, whatever sauce/toppings we want, it's not "Little Italy" but it tastes better than eating a box. Mangia-mangia!🤤
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIVNdnJwd-U
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Watchtower property sold
by Rattigan350 inhttps://www.dailyherald.com/news/20230915/kane-county-property-transfers-for-july-18-to-aug-11-2023.
$260,000; 11 n edgelawn drive, aurora il; sold on aug. 4, 2023, by watchtower bible & tract socie to hector p salmeron.
the wtbts owned this land.. google maps says this address is a cardiology institute.. .
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The JWBorg leaders learned something from the "Good Samaritan" account...
"“A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jerʹi·cho and fell victim to robbers, who stripped him, beat him, and went off, leaving him half-dead."
The WTBT$ is willing to fleece their flocks and then abandon them when they are not "useful" anymore.
Instead of being like the proverbial "Robin Hood" who robbed from the rich to give to the poor, these guys rob from the poor to make themselves rich...
(That's just a fraction...)
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Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?
by Vanderhoven7 ini hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.
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"Not every individual who has sexually abused a child in the past is considered a "predator." The branch office, not the local body of elders, determines whether an individual who has sexually abused children in the past will be considered a "predator."" The JWBorg tells the elders NOT to warn the flock about predators that the JWBorg wants to have in positions of authority.
The JWBorg instructs elders to not cooperate with law enforcement unless the headquarters gives permission. In this way, the elders have at times protected the interests of abusers at the cost of the victims. It is organizational complicity.
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Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?
by Vanderhoven7 ini hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.
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Shawn Bartlett JW Training Video on destroying documents...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM3gbGKiFX4
2020 Email from the Legal Department expressing regret over exposure regarding destroying child sex abuse documentation in the congregations...
https://files.accessjw.org/s/yym8aNJzAqr9jEc
2012 Letter to elders telling them not to cooperate with police or secular investigators unless instructed to by the branch after calling the Bethel Legal Department...
https://files.accessjw.org/s/X2mJqM6M2ySTsxF
2012 Letter to elders telling them not to warn the congregation about sexual predators unless they get permission from the Service Department...
https://files.accessjw.org/s/DC9wK9kZ7DSNJNQ
The "Shepherd the Flock" book (elder manual) describes the process for appointing a new elder, which includes asking three questions about taking part in bad behavior. If the man can answer "no" to the three questions, the elder appointment process proceeds. However, if the man answers "yes" to any of the questions, there is nothing mentioned in the text that says he is disqualified from still being appointed.
"(1) Is there anything from your past, even before baptism, or in your personal or family life that disqualifies you or that would prevent you from accepting this appointment?
(2) Is there any reason why your appointment should not be announced to the congregation?
(3) Have you as an adult ever been involved at any time in the past with child sexual abuse?"
If the brother answer no to the questions, the circuit overseer will provide the elders with a signed appointment letter..." (from "Shepherd the Flock of God" section regarding appointing new elders)
The elders book has a section regarding "removing restrictions" that does not rule out the possibility for a known molester to eventually be appointed as an elder...(it doesn't say "never")...
"24. One who has engaged in child sexual abuse does not qualify to receive any privileges in the congregation for many years, if ever; this includes minor privileges. Paul's counsel to Timothy has special relevance in the case of baptized adults who have molested children: "Never lay your hands hastily on any man; neither become a sharer in the sins of others." (1 Tim. 5:22; w97 1/1 pp. 26-29) If the body of elders believes that one who has engaged in child sexual abuse decades ago may now qualify for minor privileges, such as carrying or adjusting microphones, operating sound and video equipment, serving as an attendant, or assisting with accounts, literature, or territories, they should assign two elders to call the Service Department. The assigned elders should call the Service Department before any congregation privileges are extended."
The Branch Manual has more information regarding "removing restrictions" and appointing former abusers...
"27. Whether to Remove Branch-Imposed Restrictions: If the body of elders recommends that branch-imposed restrictions be removed, the Service Desk should first gather the facts, considering the same factors that were reviewed when restrictions were imposed. What has changed since restrictions were first imposed? How much time has passed since the wrongdoing occurred? Has it been decades? Was there one victim or multiple victims? Was it a single incident, or was it repeated? What were the circumstances? What was his age and the age of the victim at the time? Is there no longer a cry of complaint about him? How is this evident? Was he prosecuted by the secular authorities? If his name appeared on a public list of sex offenders, has his name been removed from the list? How do the community and the secular authorities view him now? How do the victim and the victim's relatives view him now? How do members of the congregation view him? (There is no need for elders to conduct interviews to determine what the current feeling is toward the individual. Doing so might bring up painful memories and cause further harm. Rather, from their own observation, the elders are to describe the current relationship between the victim and the individual, if possible.) What convinces the body of elders that the accused has rejected his former course and does not pose a danger to minors? Has he stated explicitly to the elders that he has not abused any other minors? Has he been cooperative with the restrictions that have been imposed on him? Has he established a convincing record of righteous conduct that merits trust? Even if decades have passed since the wrongdoing, he would not qualify for any privileges (including minor privileges) if his receiving such would be offensive to his victim, to the victim's relatives, or to others who know of the wrongdoing.
"28. If decades have passed since the wrongdoing, there is no outcry from the victim, the victim's relatives, or from others who know of the wrongdoing, and the individual continues to manifest a good attitude and qualifies in every other way, a letter approved by the Service Department oversight may be sent confirming that minor privileges may be extended gradually. This will allow the elders to see more clearly how the congregation and perhaps the community view him. He would not qualify for any privileges (including minor privileges) if his receiving such is offensive to his victim, to the victim's relatives, or to others who know of the wrongdoing."
The fact that the branch acknowledges asking the victim or the victim's family would cause hurt so don't ask them how they feel shows that the branch knows it would hurt others if the abuser was appointed, but they say to appoint him anyway if the elders want to and not to ask the victim what they think and also not to worry if someone will get hurt again but instead worry more how things look ("wash the outside of the cup" even if the inside is full of nastiness). The elders are directed to ask the abuser if he has changed, even though one of the definitions of a person with an addiction is the willingness of the addict to lie to cover the addiction. The wording of the branch manual and the elders manual makes clear that the branch and the elders and the Service Department are complicit in installing pedophiles in positions of oversight in the organization to the harm of the flock.
Shepherd Flock of God" regarding removing restrictions...
https://files.accessjw.org/s/NSCySFCnaSiE2A5
Branch Manual regarding removing restrictions...
https://files.accessjw.org/s/KN3wgcSJwYxxFfi
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R & F JW's are ordered to AVOID the G.B.........
by BoogerMan in.....and bethelites, c.o.
etc., because they are all acting disorderly by being parasites on the backs of their fellow christians!
(according to the inspired scriptures).
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"Watch out for the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. But there is nothing carefully concealed that will not be revealed, and nothing secret that will not become known. Therefore, whatever you say in the darkness will be heard in the light, and what you whisper in private rooms will be preached from the housetops."
(A Wonderland Website revealing formerly concealed leaven...https://avoidjw.org/looking-glass/ 😁)
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R & F JW's are ordered to AVOID the G.B.........
by BoogerMan in.....and bethelites, c.o.
etc., because they are all acting disorderly by being parasites on the backs of their fellow christians!
(according to the inspired scriptures).
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They know what things they are doing that are wrong - that's why they hide those things. That's why they don't publish the accounts report for the headquarters. That's why you can't call the Service Department and just talk to somebody if you're rank-n-file. That's why they hide behind the legal department. THEY KNOW the things they are doing that aren't based on truth and that are wrong. THEY KNOW, but so does somebody else...
Ecclesiastes 5:8
"If you see any oppression of the poor and a violation of justice and righteousness in your district, do not be surprised about the matter. For that high official is being watched by one who is higher than he is, and there are others who are still higher than they are."
The first post on this thread quoted Second Thessalonians chapter 3. In context, Paul was talking about avoiding religious hypocrites. In chapter 2, here is what he said...
"However, brothers, concerning the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be alarmed either by an inspired statement or by a spoken message or by a letter appearing to be from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god."
The GB/FD$/WTBT$ teaches "the day of Jehovah/Kingdom of Christ" began in 1914, and they deceptively claim "that is why the GB/FD$/WTBT$ has special authority from heaven". The GB/FD$/WTBT$ is trying to lead people astray. When WWI happened, the WTBT$ said "see! a sign!" but it wasn't the operation of Jehovah's spirit that caused them to say such a thing...
"Do you not remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things? And now you know what is acting as a restraint, so that he will be revealed in his own due time. True, the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work, but only until the one who is right now acting as a restraint is out of the way. Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. That is why God lets a deceptive influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness."
The GB/FD$/WTBT$ KNOWS that they are misleading others. They are taking pleasure in unrighteousness. That is why they will be judged. They are being revealed, and they will be done away with in harmony with the verses in Second Thessalonians.
"...the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence."