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Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.

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What ends up happening now is that if anyone in the congregation goes against the dictates of the Governing Body/Bethel/WTBT$ headquarters as regards reporting CSA or warning others in the congregation, then that person reporting or warning others will be disfellowshipped rather than the person doing the abuse being disfellowshipped.

(Here are two of the Watchtower CSA cases you can find on Court Listener...)

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17099295/caekaert-v-watchtower-bible-and-tract-society-of-new-york-inc/

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17122535/rowland-v-watchtower-bible-and-tract-society-of-new-york-inc/

If you scroll through the documents on those cases you can find individual pdfs like these two that show the WTBT$ headquarters leadership effectively deny under oath that the Governing Body has anything to do with giving direction in the congregations, even though the rank-and-file know that they have to listen to the dictates of the Governing Body and Bethel Headquarters or they will be disfellowshipped for "apostasy".

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559.192.5.pdf

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559.192.11.pdf

The screenshots from earlier in this thread make clear that the elders manual and other directions from WTBT$ headquarters demand that the elders consult the Service Department and Legal Department before following through with any action when CSA is involved. The Service Department and the Legal Department are under under the authority of the Governing Body, according to what the WTBT$ teaches (unscripturally, by means of twisting scripture), in essence, that the Governing Body is the Faithful and Discreet Slave, into which Jesus has given all the domestics. "All the domestics" includes the Service Department and the Legal Department, which are under the direct authority of the Governing Body according to what is taught in the Watchtower. Thus the WTBT$ headquarters representatives lied under oath when they claimed to not have anything to do with the goings-ons of the congregations. They are the ones who make the directives for the elders to follow. When the elders fail to warn the flock about an abuser, the elders are just following the direction they get from headquarters. It is organizational complicity.

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/governing-body-jw-helpers/

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Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.

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CourtListener.com is also a good source of information on the CSA cases...if you go to the Court Listener home page you can search "Watchtower" or any of the names that have been in the headlines or on the jwchildabuse.org website and find the court documents, including what people like Allen Schuster and Gary Breaux and Philip Brumley other WTBT$ guys said under oath, as well as how the WTBT$ handled CSA...here is an example of some court documents from the Lopez case...

https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/3194461/lopez-v-watchtower-bible-tract-society-of-new-york-inc/?q=lopez%20watchtower

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Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.

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(I know Barbara is on this forum 🙂, but here is a link to more info about her experience and also about Bill Bowen...)

https://watchtowerdocuments.org

https://silentlambs.org/resignation-letter

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Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.

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Even when the elder body knows about the abuse, the organization trains them to care more about the "image" of the organization than about the victims of abuse.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-jehovahs-witness-sex-abuse-judgment-lopez-2014oct31-htmlstory.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5255629/Jehovahs-Witnesses-leak-sheds-light-child-sex-claims.html

https://www.westernmassnews.com/2023/09/01/jehovah-witness-elder-sentenced-jail-child-sexual-abuse-case/

part 1 arc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erWV8YnTFto

part 2 arc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBE_oof1RzE

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Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.

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Many of those documents are linked here...

https://www.jwchildabuse.org

When a congregation member is hurt, the "Governing Body" runs away. They don't apologize. They don't "shepherd". They don't man-up and acknowledge their part in the problem. They hide behind their legal department. There is a reason they are hiding. They are bloodguilty.

They cannot hide forever. (Revelation 19:1,2)

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They still call it Pizza but it doesn’t taste like it anymore.

by Fisherman in

i remember as a kid that a slice of pizza was a dime, the same price for a large bag of m&ms or a large hershey’s bar or an ice cream popsicle, box of cracker jacks, bag of potato chips, bus fare.

the dimes were made out of silver and many of them were mercury dimes with the dates worn off.

…and while nowadays except for the pizza, everything tastes about the same only now costing 10 times as much, bus fare costs 28x as much and pizza costs 40x as much:.

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Even though I live in figurative "East Podunk" now, at one time I went to school/worked in an metropolitan area.

"The main drawback to a bus, at least in most of the US is that investment in public transit is minimal. I remember in my early 20's, I was without a car for a few months. I took the bus to work, and what would have been a 10 minute car ride took an hour on the bus because of the convoluted route it had to take to try to serve as many people as possible."

"Bummed is what you are when you go out to your car and it's been towed" because then you need to take the bus. True dat.😝

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MVjxP4vI0rQ

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They still call it Pizza but it doesn’t taste like it anymore.

by Fisherman in

i remember as a kid that a slice of pizza was a dime, the same price for a large bag of m&ms or a large hershey’s bar or an ice cream popsicle, box of cracker jacks, bag of potato chips, bus fare.

the dimes were made out of silver and many of them were mercury dimes with the dates worn off.

…and while nowadays except for the pizza, everything tastes about the same only now costing 10 times as much, bus fare costs 28x as much and pizza costs 40x as much:.

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Not Alabama...somewhere further north more like this😜...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U2RDvBHaOM

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They still call it Pizza but it doesn’t taste like it anymore.

by Fisherman in

i remember as a kid that a slice of pizza was a dime, the same price for a large bag of m&ms or a large hershey’s bar or an ice cream popsicle, box of cracker jacks, bag of potato chips, bus fare.

the dimes were made out of silver and many of them were mercury dimes with the dates worn off.

…and while nowadays except for the pizza, everything tastes about the same only now costing 10 times as much, bus fare costs 28x as much and pizza costs 40x as much:.

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A lot of places around here, the pizza doesn't taste much different than the box it's delivered in.

Once upon a time a long time ago I worked in a pizza shop and learned how to hand toss dough without getting it stuck on the ceiling or dropping it on the floor (most of the time)😜. So we just make our own pizza at home, turn the oven way up to 500 degrees, bake about 8 minutes, whatever sauce/toppings we want, it's not "Little Italy" but it tastes better than eating a box. Mangia-mangia!🤤

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIVNdnJwd-U

😁

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Watchtower property sold

by Rattigan350 in

https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20230915/kane-county-property-transfers-for-july-18-to-aug-11-2023.

$260,000; 11 n edgelawn drive, aurora il; sold on aug. 4, 2023, by watchtower bible & tract socie to hector p salmeron.

the wtbts owned this land.. google maps says this address is a cardiology institute.. .

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The JWBorg leaders learned something from the "Good Samaritan" account...

"“A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jerʹi·cho and fell victim to robbers, who stripped him, beat him, and went off, leaving him half-dead."

The WTBT$ is willing to fleece their flocks and then abandon them when they are not "useful" anymore.

Instead of being like the proverbial "Robin Hood" who robbed from the rich to give to the poor, these guys rob from the poor to make themselves rich...

(That's just a fraction...)

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Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.

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"Not every individual who has sexually abused a child in the past is considered a "predator." The branch office, not the local body of elders, determines whether an individual who has sexually abused children in the past will be considered a "predator."" The JWBorg tells the elders NOT to warn the flock about predators that the JWBorg wants to have in positions of authority.

The JWBorg instructs elders to not cooperate with law enforcement unless the headquarters gives permission. In this way, the elders have at times protected the interests of abusers at the cost of the victims. It is organizational complicity.