Thank you, Vander, and all the other real shepherds and shepherdesses here who actually care about people and about truth and love. I think you're all awesome and I am so thankful for all you've done to help people (including me) all these years. Thank you!đź’–
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Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?
by Vanderhoven7 ini hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.
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Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?
by Vanderhoven7 ini hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.
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"I’ve noticed that on the Montana cases you linked, the Defendants were relatives. Really horrible and disturbing stuff to read. Unimaginable abuse, assuming it is true. Because WT has deep pockets and the victims can collect from them. Minus WT in the equation, the relatives would still have abused their innocent kids.
Courts don’t adjudicate feelings or morality or good and bad such as when “doctors” with the permission of the mother have gruesomely un-alived legally as a child is being born but partially inside the mother for example. I’ve seen medical books on this that haunts me till this day. How about liability of government agencies having knowledge that children are being harmed or were harmed in the past with drug and tobacco use in the home or an environment that damages the welfare of a child such as corrupting conduct of the parents or too something physical like lead paint in gov owned housing for example . Shouldn’t there also be a tolling of the statute of limitations to hold liable people responsible for protecting children?
The legal issue involving wt in all objectivity is wt liability in any failure to protect children when legally required to do so. Seems to me."
Ah, @Fisherman, you are perhaps referring to the Caekaert case? (There are other Montana cases, but I didn't link those ones in this thread yet.)
If the WTBT$ wasn't guilty of complicity, then why were they trying to avoid discovery as regards the relationship between the Watch Tower of New York and the Watch Tower of Pennsylvania or the way the organization worked in prior years? What were they trying to hide? What were they afraid of revealing?
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559.47.0.pdf
They are guilty of complicity in hiding child sexual abuse. That is why they continue to hide behind the Legal Department.
When C.T. Russell was guilty of abuse, his legal counsel said the same thing, that Maria wanted money. Russell showed his true colors by the unscriptural way he treated his wife, and so have the WTBT$. The entire organization is founded on fraud and hypocrisy and hiding abuse. That is why they avoided discovery. Because they are guilty.
Regardless of the abuse details in the Caekaert case, what was the response of the men in the organization who claim to be "exemplary shepherds"? Did they try to comfort the victim? How about Jesus' direction at Matthew 5:40 "And if a person wants to take you to court and get possession of your inner garment, let him also have your outer garment"? How did these men react?
Declaration of Allen Shuster:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559.160.1.pdf
Declaration of Gary Breaux:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559.160.2.pdf
Declaration of Gene Smalley:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559.160.3.pdf
Like cowards. They basically said "we don't know anything about anything". They lied. They know exactly how the congregations are run. They know about all the letters to the elders and the manuals and the Service Department. They know. They were elders in congregations all those years. They know. They could have come clean but instead they lied and showed that they care more about the image of a corrupt organization than about the Lord's little sheep. They are despicable wolves in sheep's covering. They are not shepherds. They are not witnesses of Jehovah, and He is sending His son to remove His Name from that corrupt organization forever. His little sheep will be comforted when that corrupt WTBT$ is destroyed. (Ezekiel chapter 34)
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Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?
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I guess what I was trying to say is that I don't know why they don't adopt a policy like that. I mean, it gives them a lot of reputational points. Just come out and say "Predators are everywhere. No religion condones this stuff, and we belive its not a reflection of the religion when a predator tries to find a spot to prey on innocent people. But we won't tolerate it."
If they were to adopt that policy, then they wouldn't be able to appoint child abusers anymore. When they appoint child abusers, they are showing that they do condone child abuse. Their current policy is to appoint child abusers, so they can't say "no religion condones that stuff" because they do tolerate it, and even reward it to some extent, as long as it's on the down-low where no one can see. If a child abuser is willing to show worshipful honor to the elders and the Bethel headquarters people, then they can get rewarded with a position in the organization. It doesn't matter what kind of abuser they are. They can move to another circuit where they are not known as an abuser and be promoted.
2012 Letter to elders telling them that Bethel does not consider every child abuser to be a predator or a "known molester", and then a child abuser can be appointed as long as a lot of people locally don't know about it...
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A registered sex-offender became a ministerial servant; he’s now in prison for assaulting child
by Tahoe inhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/a-registered-sex-offender-became-a-ministerial-servant-for-jehovah-s-witnesses-in-springfield-he-s-now-in-prison-for-assaulting-child/ar-aa1h4vjg.
a level 3 sex offender who moved to springfield and secured a role with the jehovah’s witnesses religious organization is now in prison.
jay aaron smith, 62, was sentenced recently in hampden superior court to 15 years in prison for several counts of indecent assault and battery on a child.
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from the article: “We are deeply saddened by these horrible events,” the religious organization said in a statement in response to questions about the case from The Republican and MassLive. “It should be noted that the allegations had nothing to do with any congregation activity.”
Yeah, they're sorry it's in the news. They're sorry they got exposed again. If they were really sorry about what happened to the victim then they would say they are sorry and make changes, but they're not sorry and they refuse to change. They'll get shut down soon.
from the article: "When the congregation found out about the abuse allegation against Smith, “it promptly reported the matter to the authorities,” a Jehovah’s Witnesses spokesperson said.
However, the Springfield Police Department did not get a report from the church, according to spokesperson Ryan Walsh.
The victim and a parent reported the abuse to Springfield police in February 2021, according to a report filed in court.
When authorities investigated, the church had not filed a 51A report, a report of alleged child abuse or neglect, according to the DA’s office. Clergy members are mandated reporters in Massachusetts.
The Jehovah’s Witnesses spokesperson said its policy in responding to abuse allegations is to first comply with reporting laws..."
Yeah, that "Jehovah's Witnesses spokesperson" is a liar. The "first" thing Jehovah's Witnesses policy says elders are expected to do is to call Bethel.
2012 Letter to elders telling them not to cooperate with police or secular investigators unless instructed to by the branch after calling the Bethel Legal Department...
https://files.accessjw.org/s/X2mJqM6M2ySTsxF
2012 Letter to elders telling them to call the Bethel Legal Department before calling the secular authorities, and also that the Branch is the one who decides whether or not the person is a molester...
(Also, the policy says "inform the congregation" but it means only inform specific elders on the body of elders. The rank-and-file in the congregation are not informed because it is considered confidential information to protect the abuser.)
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A registered sex-offender became a ministerial servant; he’s now in prison for assaulting child
by Tahoe inhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/a-registered-sex-offender-became-a-ministerial-servant-for-jehovah-s-witnesses-in-springfield-he-s-now-in-prison-for-assaulting-child/ar-aa1h4vjg.
a level 3 sex offender who moved to springfield and secured a role with the jehovah’s witnesses religious organization is now in prison.
jay aaron smith, 62, was sentenced recently in hampden superior court to 15 years in prison for several counts of indecent assault and battery on a child.
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"The Org. itself is responsible for this, they refuse to take on the Moral Duty to do a Criminal Records check, and then appoint known offenders !
Small Clubs and Associations here in the U.K, and of course the larger ones, do this. No one is appointed to a position of Authority and therefore power, who has any kind of Criminal Record."
What's really crazy is that you don't even have to get a paid Criminal Record check done in the US to find out if someone has a record of being arrested for sexual abuse. All you have to do is search on the sex offender website for a particular state or the public arrest/imprisonment record and you can find out if there is anyone in the area who has a record. (The info below on Jay Aaron Smith was easily accessible for free online.)
https://services.gdc.ga.gov/GDC/OffenderQuery/jsp/OffQryRedirector.jsp
https://state.sor.gbi.ga.gov/sort_public/OffenderDetails.aspx
During the COVID lockdown in order to compile ministry lists for letter-writing/phone-witnessing, elders taught the congregation members how to research where people live by means of using the tax records and other free online search methods. The elders/branch/Bethel know how to do research. They could have researched where this guy was from and if he had a record. Likely, they didn't need to research it, because they probably already knew and just didn't care, just like it says in their elder/branch books - as long as most people nearby don't know, it doesn't matter to them what the guy did, even though the government made clear the guy is a Level 3 offender which means he is extremely likely to offend again. Bethel basically says a sexual predator is only considered a "predator" if Bethel says they are a "predator".
https://files.accessjw.org/s/DC9wK9kZ7DSNJNQ
Guess they didn't consider Jay Aaron Smith predator enough to be considered a predator. Guess they don't consider rape and sodomy that bad. Guess they don't mind putting the flock at risk of getting raped and sodomized by someone who even the secular authorities recognized is most likely going to do it again. That's why they appointed him. (It wasn't holy spirit that appointed him, that's for sure.) Birds of a feather flock together.
"It is like a mustard grain that a man took and planted in his garden, and it grew and became a tree, and the birds of heaven nested in its branches." (Luke 13:18)
Nasty WTBT$. Just one branch in the leaven/religion-tree. The nasty birds won't play there much longer - their tree's about to be cut down.
"And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a place where every unclean spirit and every unclean and hated bird lurks." (Revelation 18:2)
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Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?
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🫶🙂I hope it goes well, your work on the other forum!
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Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?
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https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/governing-body-jw-helpers/
The Service Committee and the Legal Department are clearly under the authority of the Governing Body. They are guilty of covering up child abuse.
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Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?
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What ends up happening now is that if anyone in the congregation goes against the dictates of the Governing Body/Bethel/WTBT$ headquarters as regards reporting CSA or warning others in the congregation, then that person reporting or warning others will be disfellowshipped rather than the person doing the abuse being disfellowshipped.
(Here are two of the Watchtower CSA cases you can find on Court Listener...)
If you scroll through the documents on those cases you can find individual pdfs like these two that show the WTBT$ headquarters leadership effectively deny under oath that the Governing Body has anything to do with giving direction in the congregations, even though the rank-and-file know that they have to listen to the dictates of the Governing Body and Bethel Headquarters or they will be disfellowshipped for "apostasy".
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559.192.5.pdf
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559.192.11.pdf
The screenshots from earlier in this thread make clear that the elders manual and other directions from WTBT$ headquarters demand that the elders consult the Service Department and Legal Department before following through with any action when CSA is involved. The Service Department and the Legal Department are under under the authority of the Governing Body, according to what the WTBT$ teaches (unscripturally, by means of twisting scripture), in essence, that the Governing Body is the Faithful and Discreet Slave, into which Jesus has given all the domestics. "All the domestics" includes the Service Department and the Legal Department, which are under the direct authority of the Governing Body according to what is taught in the Watchtower. Thus the WTBT$ headquarters representatives lied under oath when they claimed to not have anything to do with the goings-ons of the congregations. They are the ones who make the directives for the elders to follow. When the elders fail to warn the flock about an abuser, the elders are just following the direction they get from headquarters. It is organizational complicity.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/governing-body-jw-helpers/
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Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?
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CourtListener.com is also a good source of information on the CSA cases...if you go to the Court Listener home page you can search "Watchtower" or any of the names that have been in the headlines or on the jwchildabuse.org website and find the court documents, including what people like Allen Schuster and Gary Breaux and Philip Brumley other WTBT$ guys said under oath, as well as how the WTBT$ handled CSA...here is an example of some court documents from the Lopez case...
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/3194461/lopez-v-watchtower-bible-tract-society-of-new-york-inc/?q=lopez%20watchtower
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Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?
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(I know Barbara is on this forum 🙂, but here is a link to more info about her experience and also about Bill Bowen...)
https://watchtowerdocuments.org
https://silentlambs.org/resignation-letter