hello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
The WTBT$ banned Kosonen because he won't worship the GB.
Kosonen chooses to follow Christ instead of men, and he's doing what he thinks is right.
When he shares scriptures, it's because he loves God and people, not because of "counting time." He is sincere.
i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.
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"Its a Perfect Storm."
It is. And the ones holding back the winds are about to let go.
(Revelation 7:1; Revelation 9:14; 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8)
The WTBT$ (and other religious institutions) are taking no note of the warning.
Matthew 24:39-51
"...and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be...if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, and he will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his place with the hypocrites. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be."
The religious hypocrites are about to have their institutions swept away in the storm.
Matthew 7:27
"And the rain poured down and the floods came and the winds blew and struck against that house, and it caved in, and its collapse was great."
i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.
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EasyPrompt said: "God's Law is the highest Law and God's Court is the highest Court."
Fisherman said: "Irrelevant in a Court of law and under this topic. You went off on a tangent. You deflect from the discussion here which is not a Biblical topic but only legal."
The topic of this thread is: "Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?"
@Fisherman, I did not go off on a tangent. This is both a Biblical and a legal topic. The men hiding abuse in the organization claim to have God's backing. The scriptures show that they do not have God's backing.
Maybe some of those Bethel spies who read this thread will wake up and get out of there before that day of vengeance so soon when the Watchtower is torn down. Maybe some of the elders reading this thread will wake up and go to the authorities now with the knowledge they have instead of hiding it and waiting for the law to come for them like it did for those elders in Illinois and now in Pennsylvania. Jehovah is not protecting the JWBorg. He is the One Prosecuting it.
WTBT$: Isaiah 1:11-20 is about you. Read it and weep.
There are many men at Bethel who have concrete evidence that the JWBorg has covered up child abuse. They should come forward with that information now before it's too late and they are being taken away in handcuffs.
i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.
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i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.
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"The subject matter of the Court is law not the Bible."
God's Law is the highest Law and God's Court is the highest Court.
The WTBT$ have been unfaithful to God's Law and are liable before God's Court. God is Love, and the WTBT$ have misrepresented Him and hurt His beloved ones.
Job 34:22-28
"There is no darkness or deep shadow
Where wrongdoers can conceal themselves.
For God has not set an appointed time for any man
To appear before him in judgment.
He breaks the powerful without needing to investigate
And sets up others in their place.
For he knows what they are doing;
He overthrows them during the night, and they are crushed.
He strikes them for their wickedness,
In a place where all can see,
Because they have turned away from following him
And have no regard for any of his ways;
They cause the poor to cry out to him,
So that he hears the outcry of the helpless."
God has heard the outcries of those crushed by the WTBT$. He will overthrow the WTBT$ in a place where all can see because the WTBT$ has broken His Most Basic and Important Law, the Law of Love.
i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.
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@Fisherman, remember that Bible lesson about how King Solomon could tell who was the real mom?
This is the same thing. These guys claim to be shepherds of Jehovah God. There are these wolves trying to eat the lambs. What would a real shepherd do versus what would a "hired man" do?
These guys are not real shepherds. They are frauds. They are "hired men" - only in it for the money or the prominence. When it comes time to protect or comfort the sheep, they run away. They are frauds.
A real mom is willing to make a personal sacrifice rather than see her baby hurt.
A real shepherd is willing to lose money or lose face in order to protect the lambs.
These guys at the WTBT$ are not shepherds. They are wolves and hired men. Jesus is going to "fire" them.
Matthew 13:38-42
",,,the weeds are the sons of the wicked one, and the enemy who sowed them is the Devil. The harvest is a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels. Therefore, just as the weeds are collected and burned with fire, so it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness, and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be."
The WTBT$ is about to lose their prominence, their tax-exempt status, their entire business corporation structure. They are being completely exposed, from the foundation to the top. Jesus is the judge in this court case. He is the fine shepherd. He will take vengeance on the WTBT$ for the sake of his Father's sheep.
"When the king sits on the throne to judge,
He sifts out all evil with his eyes."
i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.
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i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.
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Thank you, Vander, and all the other real shepherds and shepherdesses here who actually care about people and about truth and love. I think you're all awesome and I am so thankful for all you've done to help people (including me) all these years. Thank you!💖
i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.
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"I’ve noticed that on the Montana cases you linked, the Defendants were relatives. Really horrible and disturbing stuff to read. Unimaginable abuse, assuming it is true. Because WT has deep pockets and the victims can collect from them. Minus WT in the equation, the relatives would still have abused their innocent kids.
Courts don’t adjudicate feelings or morality or good and bad such as when “doctors” with the permission of the mother have gruesomely un-alived legally as a child is being born but partially inside the mother for example. I’ve seen medical books on this that haunts me till this day. How about liability of government agencies having knowledge that children are being harmed or were harmed in the past with drug and tobacco use in the home or an environment that damages the welfare of a child such as corrupting conduct of the parents or too something physical like lead paint in gov owned housing for example . Shouldn’t there also be a tolling of the statute of limitations to hold liable people responsible for protecting children?
The legal issue involving wt in all objectivity is wt liability in any failure to protect children when legally required to do so. Seems to me."
Ah, @Fisherman, you are perhaps referring to the Caekaert case? (There are other Montana cases, but I didn't link those ones in this thread yet.)
If the WTBT$ wasn't guilty of complicity, then why were they trying to avoid discovery as regards the relationship between the Watch Tower of New York and the Watch Tower of Pennsylvania or the way the organization worked in prior years? What were they trying to hide? What were they afraid of revealing?
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559.47.0.pdf
They are guilty of complicity in hiding child sexual abuse. That is why they continue to hide behind the Legal Department.
When C.T. Russell was guilty of abuse, his legal counsel said the same thing, that Maria wanted money. Russell showed his true colors by the unscriptural way he treated his wife, and so have the WTBT$. The entire organization is founded on fraud and hypocrisy and hiding abuse. That is why they avoided discovery. Because they are guilty.
Regardless of the abuse details in the Caekaert case, what was the response of the men in the organization who claim to be "exemplary shepherds"? Did they try to comfort the victim? How about Jesus' direction at Matthew 5:40 "And if a person wants to take you to court and get possession of your inner garment, let him also have your outer garment"? How did these men react?
Declaration of Allen Shuster:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559.160.1.pdf
Declaration of Gary Breaux:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559.160.2.pdf
Declaration of Gene Smalley:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559/gov.uscourts.mtd.63559.160.3.pdf
Like cowards. They basically said "we don't know anything about anything". They lied. They know exactly how the congregations are run. They know about all the letters to the elders and the manuals and the Service Department. They know. They were elders in congregations all those years. They know. They could have come clean but instead they lied and showed that they care more about the image of a corrupt organization than about the Lord's little sheep. They are despicable wolves in sheep's covering. They are not shepherds. They are not witnesses of Jehovah, and He is sending His son to remove His Name from that corrupt organization forever. His little sheep will be comforted when that corrupt WTBT$ is destroyed. (Ezekiel chapter 34)
i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.
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I guess what I was trying to say is that I don't know why they don't adopt a policy like that. I mean, it gives them a lot of reputational points. Just come out and say "Predators are everywhere. No religion condones this stuff, and we belive its not a reflection of the religion when a predator tries to find a spot to prey on innocent people. But we won't tolerate it."
If they were to adopt that policy, then they wouldn't be able to appoint child abusers anymore. When they appoint child abusers, they are showing that they do condone child abuse. Their current policy is to appoint child abusers, so they can't say "no religion condones that stuff" because they do tolerate it, and even reward it to some extent, as long as it's on the down-low where no one can see. If a child abuser is willing to show worshipful honor to the elders and the Bethel headquarters people, then they can get rewarded with a position in the organization. It doesn't matter what kind of abuser they are. They can move to another circuit where they are not known as an abuser and be promoted.
2012 Letter to elders telling them that Bethel does not consider every child abuser to be a predator or a "known molester", and then a child abuser can be appointed as long as a lot of people locally don't know about it...
