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Time, times and half a time - nerd time

by Anony Mous in

so, the famous 607 calculation to 1914 involves the above prophecy.

the common explanation is that time is one unit, times is an unsubstantiated number of units.. to prove you can make it say any date, we must write it as a formula:.

date = t + nt + 0.5t where n >= 2. so simplified:.

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I don't know why WT tried to make it so complicated. They overcomplicate the "generation" thing and the time thing. It's not complicated...

one + two + half = three and a half

Daniel 7:25

"He will speak words against the Most High, and he will continually harass the holy ones of the Supreme One. He will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. But the Court sat, and they took away his rulership, in order to annihilate him and to destroy him completely."

The UN gets a chance to rule as supreme world power for 3 1/2 years, but then their time is done.

Daniel 12:1,7

"And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time...“It will be for an appointed time, appointed times, and half a time. As soon as the dashing to pieces of the power of the holy people comes to an end, all these things will come to their finish.”"

That 3 1/2 year time will be difficult, because that's when the Devil will be cast down and really angry (he wasn't cast down in 1914 or 1918), but that 3 1/2 years is only a short period of time in the big scheme of things.

Revelation 12:7-13

"And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. o down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God! And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their souls even in the face of death. On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.” Now when the dragon saw that it had been hurled down to the earth, it persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child. But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is to be fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent."

God's loyal angels will help us endure that difficult 3 1/2 year time.

Luke 21:20-24

"However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, because these are days for meting out justice in order that all the things written may be fulfilled. Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! For there will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people. And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled."

The three and a half years when the UN rules supreme is the great tribulation and the appointed times of the nations, "and then the end will come" (ie Jesus Kingdom to replace all the other ones.)

Hold on to your hats. It's going to be a wild ride but the generation that sees the beginning of that 3 1/2 years will survive to the end of it. It's only a short time, three and a half years.

Matthew 24:34

"Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen."

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I'm visiting Vegas, Laguna Hills and Valencia (Magic Mountain) fancy a coffee?

by usualusername1 in

jw
friends

am visiting all these places from next week!

am staying for three weeks.. if you fancy catching up it would be great to see you.. paul.

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Hope you enjoy your trip!😊

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Two biggest issues for Watchtower right now

by Teddnzo in

selena accused tony morris of being involved in child abuse and the pimo bethelite who just got kicked out.

let’s see how this rolls out.

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Somebody knows. We'll find out eventually. "There is nothing hidden that will not be revealed."

The fact that he basically accepted a bribe tells me that he is still in cahoots with their shenanigans.

The fact that they didn't send him away completely tells me that they also are not concerned with "keeping the organization clean" (which we already knew, of course) - they are concerned with keeping skeletons in the closet.

Jehovah will expose all of it in time. Probably sooner than we think.😉

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List of main points from 2023 AGM

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

1. doctrinal changes how new light comes about.

the gb raise questions then talk about it, unless it’s unanimous they wait, then years later talk again if it’s unanimous it then gets announced as new light.. 2. the gb are imperfect and sometimes make mistakes.

they are not to apologise or even admit they were wrong.

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"There is no pleasing any of you. Whatever they do, you won't like it."

I would like it if they'd apologize and stop reproaching Jehovah and hurting people by their antichrist teachings and false doctrines. That'd be nice.

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CIVILIAN SERVICE

by blondie in

how many remember when the wts changed their policy on alternative service; changed it to alternative civilian service so jw men could choose it because it was not supervised by the military.

shows how the wts quibbles with words to advance a "new teaching.

" flag salute, voting, civilian service p. 212. civilian service.

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"So I am not saying whether it is wrong or right, and which kinds of troops or services are or are not allowed, but rather I am focusing on the answer: if one is a soldier or a police officer and wants to be a Christian, one must be aware of the increased risk of being in a counter-ethical situation with one's own conscience. He may serve his entire service on a military submarine as a cook, opening cans and cooking delicious meals out of them 😊, he probably won't do anything more sinful than working as a taxi driver or a shop assistant or a school teacher, but the situation can change quickly...
But he can encounter counter-ethical issues just like a doctor (abortion, sex change...) or any other profession. Not something more or less sinful per se, but there are professions that are simply more risky than the other. And that is for each person to judge in their own time, in their own region, in their own conscience, and in their own relationship with God... global, there is no one answer in my opinion. That's my global answer 😊."

Amen, PetrW🙂

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CIVILIAN SERVICE

by blondie in

how many remember when the wts changed their policy on alternative service; changed it to alternative civilian service so jw men could choose it because it was not supervised by the military.

shows how the wts quibbles with words to advance a "new teaching.

" flag salute, voting, civilian service p. 212. civilian service.

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I believe in unity without tyranny. Being united with Christ prevents us from joining crazy rebellions or movements or seeking to needlessly hurt people.

When love is our rule, we don't need WTBT$ to make rules for us. Having love as our rule is part of Christian freedom.

Romans 6:18-23

"Yes, since you were set free from sin, you became slaves to righteousness. I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh; for just as you presented your members as slaves to uncleanness and lawlessness leading to lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. For when you were slaves of sin, you were free as to righteousness. What, then, was the fruit that you used to produce at that time? Things of which you are now ashamed. For the end of those things is death. However, now that you were set free from sin and became slaves to God, you are producing your fruit in the way of holiness, and the end is everlasting life. For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord."

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List of main points from 2023 AGM

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

1. doctrinal changes how new light comes about.

the gb raise questions then talk about it, unless it’s unanimous they wait, then years later talk again if it’s unanimous it then gets announced as new light.. 2. the gb are imperfect and sometimes make mistakes.

they are not to apologise or even admit they were wrong.

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"Easypromt could you tell us what serious wrongdoing were they trying to cover up that you wanted to expose?"

No. I don't feel like it. It involved abuse and I don't want to talk about the details right now.

If I get to know you better, then eventually maybe. But not here right now.

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CIVILIAN SERVICE

by blondie in

how many remember when the wts changed their policy on alternative service; changed it to alternative civilian service so jw men could choose it because it was not supervised by the military.

shows how the wts quibbles with words to advance a "new teaching.

" flag salute, voting, civilian service p. 212. civilian service.

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Mostly, I just wanted to expose that the GB/FD$/WTBT$ take on the "no part of the world" verse is misapplied.

As regards voting, where I live people don't just vote for elected officials. Decisions on finances for public works projects, like building bridges, are sometimes decided by referendum, as well as amendments to the state constitution regarding things like allowing persons with disabilities to sign petitions and so on.

Since Jesus did not take the throne in the first century nor in 1914, none of the governments from that time until now have been ruling in opposition to Christ's Kingdom, so anybody who votes for an official running for office has not been acting against the Kingdom. The first century Christians were not opposed to voting. They were opposed to doing an act of worship to the emperor.

"That means that by voting, whether you like or accept it or not, you are endorsing all that that party stands for, against its rivals. You bear a share of responsibility for what it does (both good and evil) if it comes to power."

I do not agree. If the government demands a person select a party, it is not an endorsement to comply with those wishes, it is compliance.

To illustrate, in the congregations, the members are told to vote for the officers of the local corporation. If all the congregation members vote unanimously for "Brother Bob" to be director, but then later he steals from the contribution box while in that elected role, are all of the congregation members culpable for his theft because of voting for him to be the director? The congregation authorities told the members to vote, and told them who to vote for, so they did it. They do not bear responsibility for what he does. He bears the responsibility.

God has allowed these nations to have their governments at present. Some of them utilize the process of voting and elections. Romans 13:7 "Render to all their dues: to the one who calls for the tax, the tax; to the one who calls for the tribute, the tribute; to the one who calls for fear, such fear; to the one who calls for honor, such honor." If the "tribute" is acceptance of a government mandated political party card, then it is not in opposition to God's will to accept that card.

I personally do not vote and have no desire to, but I do not see anywhere in the Bible that prohibits it.

Also, nowhere in the Bible does it say that Christians are prohibited from killing others. (Obviously murder is wrong, but in context here we are talking about Cornelius and the military.) Jesus said whoever lives by the sword will die by the sword, which implies that living by the sword is dangerous. Jesus told Peter to put down the sword in that instance at Gethsemane because he knew God's will included getting arrested at that time and killed. But the account where Jesus poured out holy spirit on Cornelius, again, shows that Christians could serve in the military without it being a breach of Christian standards. Cornelius wasn't a traffic cop - he was a centurion.

My grandfather was in the Navy in WWII, at Normandy. My great uncles were in the Army, one a POW in Germany. My dad was an army veteran; my step-dad a retired lieutenant colonel; my step-brother 716th Military Police Battalion, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) died in Iraq; my nephew is in the Air Force; another step-brother and my cousin are police officers. I was not and am not afraid of any of them. They were not and are not scary mean people.

On the other hand, I have been afraid of some of those in the local congregations at times. Some of those people have been scary and mean to me or threatening to my children, in a way that made me call the police at times and other times go to the courts for protection. I have found that being in the military or not is not what makes a person violent or have the spirit of the world. The spirit of the world (selfishness, greed, love of violence, etc) can be found in people who outwardly claim to be the most religious people around, while some who have the assignment as executioners are peaceable by nature.

Notice what Jesus said about killing...

Mark 3:4

"Next he said to them: “Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do harm, to save a life or to kill?”"

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:28) Jehovah has assigned Jesus to carry out executions at the end of the tribulation. Those executions are not in violation of Christian standards. Jesus is the Christ, the Prince of Peace. He never violates Christian standards - he's the one who sets the example for Christians, and his example shows that sometimes it is lawful on the Sabbath "to do good or to do harm, to save a life or to kill".

I am not saying people should go sign up for the military. I hate killing. I won't even watch cartoons where characters get hit in the head. We must hate what is bad. Jehovah hates violence. We must also hate violence, and intrigue and slander and so on. But it is not the label on the outside of the cup that determines whether a person loves or hates violence. It is what is on the inside that counts, that leads to either good or rotten fruit. Jesus hates violence, and yet he's assigned as God's chief executioner.

There are men in military uniforms who are true Christians.

And there are men with "FDS" titles who are not.

John 13:35

"By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves."

John 15:13

"No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his life in behalf of his friends."

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CIVILIAN SERVICE

by blondie in

how many remember when the wts changed their policy on alternative service; changed it to alternative civilian service so jw men could choose it because it was not supervised by the military.

shows how the wts quibbles with words to advance a "new teaching.

" flag salute, voting, civilian service p. 212. civilian service.

EasyPrompt

It's interesting that the phrase "civil service" or "civilian service" is not found in the NWT. The closest thing is "public service" which is translated "holy service" at Luke 1:23.

Daniel worked in a government position. So did Esther, Mordecai, Nehemiah, Ezra, Joseph, Solomon, David, and many others. In some cases, they were directly appointed to that public service by Jehovah.

No where does the Bible say "you may not work in civilian service" just like no where does it say "you may not vote". When the Bible says "you must be no part of the world" it's not referring to civilian service. It's referring to not acting like Satan, a person who is hypocritical. When the Pharisees were figuratively striving to have a clean outside of the cup but were inside full of dead men's bones, Jesus called them sons of their father the Devil. Those men were part of the world because they preferred the way of hypocritical showy display instead of the way of love.

Voting doesn't make someone part of the world. Holding government office doesn't make someone part of the world. Having a political party card doesn't make someone part of the world. Being a religious hypocrite does make someone part of the world.

In context, when Jesus was talking about being "no part of the world" he wasn't talking about voting. Jesus mentioned Judas, who was a religious hypocrite. Judas pretended outwardly to love Jesus, but he really loved money more than he loved truth.

John 17:12-16

"When I was with them, I used to watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me; and I have protected them, and not one of them is destroyed except the son of destruction, so that the scripture might be fulfilled. But now I am coming to you, and I am saying these things in the world, so that they may have my joy made complete in themselves. I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world. “I do not request that you take them out of the world, but that you watch over them because of the wicked one. They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world."

In context, when John was talking about being "no part of the world" he wasn't talking about civil service. He was talking about "antichrists", people who once were Christians but whose actions showed they didn't really have love for God.

1 John 2:15-21

"Do not love either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but the one who does the will of God remains forever. Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared, from which fact we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us. But they went out so that it might be shown that not all are of our sort. And you have an anointing from the holy one, and all of you have knowledge. I write you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie originates with the truth."

The GB loves money more than they love truth. They have a form of godly devotion, but prove false to its power, just like it says in 2 Timothy 3. They are part of the world of their father the Devil, and they act like their father who also pretends to be an angel of light but is actually full of darkness. They are religious hypocrites.

The GB misapplies the Bible's words about "no part of this world."

Romans 13:4 makes clear that it is with God's approval that some "bear the sword." "The existing authorities...for it is God’s minister to you for your good. But if you are doing what is bad, be in fear, for it is not without purpose that it bears the sword. It is God’s minister, an avenger to express wrath against the one practicing what is bad."

Cornelius was an army officer. The Bible calls him "righteous". While he was an army officer, an angel came and spoke to him. While he was an army officer, he received holy spirit and was baptized. The Bible doesn't say that Peter came and said, "Hey, Cornelius, you have to repent of being in the army. You have to quit your job." Nope. Cornelius, the army officer, the righteous man, was qualified to receive holy spirit and be baptized while still an army officer. He was no part of the world even though he was part of the military.

In context when Jesus told Peter to put down the sword, it was because at that time it was God's will for Jesus to go through the unjust arrest. If Peter took up the sword at that time, he would have been killed by those other dudes with the swords.

We know Jehovah hates violence, but that doesn't mean that he's displeased with all the men who bear the sword. To the contrary - the governmental authorities stand in their places at present with God's permission for a purpose in harmony with God's will. God will discipline them at the proper time, and any who abuse their authority will receive their wages for such abuse. But the righteous ones among those in the military and the governing authorities will receive their reward for their righteousness, just like Cornelius did. There are many many loving, good people in the military and among the governing authorities. It's not a sin to be in civilian service.

Ecclesiastes 3:1-8

"There is an appointed time for everything,

A time for every activity under the heavens:

A time for birth and a time to die;

A time to plant and a time to uproot what was planted;

A time to kill and a time to heal;

A time to tear down and a time to build up;

A time to weep and a time to laugh;

A time to wail and a time to dance;

A time to throw stones away and a time to gather stones together;

A time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing;

A time to search and a time to give up as lost;

A time to keep and a time to throw away;

A time to rip apart and a time to sew together;

A time to be silent and a time to speak;

A time to love and a time to hate;

A time for war and a time for peace."

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List of main points from 2023 AGM

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

1. doctrinal changes how new light comes about.

the gb raise questions then talk about it, unless it’s unanimous they wait, then years later talk again if it’s unanimous it then gets announced as new light.. 2. the gb are imperfect and sometimes make mistakes.

they are not to apologise or even admit they were wrong.

EasyPrompt

Back before I woke up, when the drama was going on in my local congregation, I thought the guys at Bethel would want to know, because I thought they actually cared about love and righteousness and Jehovah's name. (They always say in the videos "we love you very much.") The local elders were covering for some bad stuff, and the CO was too, so I wrote to the governing body to tell them what was going on. I wrote again and again. Then I wrote to some of the other guys that are the helpers to the GB and others in the videos. I wrote again and again and begged them to help. They didn't respond once. The local elders got madder and madder at me for exposing the stuff that was going on, and finally they disfellowshipped me for not shutting up. (Later I found out that the Service Department and the Legal Department told them what to do.) They got a trespassing order so I couldn't go to the KH and warn the others what was going on or do "the first step" according to their elder flowchart as regards confronting the elder in question. As soon as I was disfellowshipped, Mark Sanderson sent one of my letters back with a big red stamp that said "REJECTED". (One of the elders in my congregation is a Bethel commuter who tunes pianos at the facilities in NY. His son is Mark Sanderson's secretary. He knew the details of the things going on in my KH, he even did one of my "shepherding calls" once, and so Mark knew all the details of my case between the letters I sent him and Jeffrey Fletcher his secretary. He waited until he knew I was disfellowshipped and then had my letter sent back with that "REJECTED" stamp just to be mean. They got all my letters but just didn't care.)

There are some other things that happened that I won't go into right now, but I learned from numerous personal experiences that the GB are complete hypocrites. They are not to be trusted. They are aware of what they are doing and they don't care when people are getting hurt, as long as they get worshipped. They are nasty wolves.

The annual meeting is a joke. But in the end, the joke is on the GB. Everybody is going to see that they are like the emperor with no clothes, because Jehovah is exposing them for the frauds they are.

Colossians 3:14

"clothe yourselves with love, for it is a perfect bond of union"

Revelation 3:17

"you do not know that you are miserable and pitiful and poor and blind and naked"