Posts by TheLiberator

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What's your favourite feel good movie ?

by jhine in

maybe it's time for a less serious thread .

i have just finished watching dirty dancing ( again ) .

what is your feel good movie , the one that makes you smile and cry happy tears ?

TheLiberator

All episodes of Star Wars. I see my entire life divided by those episodes. It looks like this pattern will continue till I die. Not complaining. At least I have passed that heritage to both my children and grandchildren. It makes up for loss of Watchtower heritage.😂

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"You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free"

by stuckinarut2 in

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ah yes... how do the words attributed to jesus feel now?.

"you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free ".

knowing "the truth about 'the truth'" puts so much extra meaning into those words, right?.

TheLiberator

Every meeting night and Saturday morning as my family gets ready for service, I watch them and I am reminded of those words. The Watchtower would always quote Matthew: 23:4: "For they bind heavy burdens that are grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not lift a finger to help them."

Were we blind? The Watchtower is one of the heaviest burdens to carry. I just cannot believe I packed that load around. Upon leaving, it was as if chains were immediately removed from my mind. Until you leave, you have no idea how shackled you were.

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Was Jesus really a Jehovah`s Witness ? He never identified himself as such , in word or deed.

by smiddy in

also he never chastised the jews for not identifying themselves as jehovah`s witnesses following isaiah`s statement at ch.43 :10-12 , so many years before hand.. and he had ample opportunity to do so on numerous occasions .. jesus himself never used the divine name /jehovah or any other equivalent , in any of his sayings attributed to him by his contemporaries .. sure he acknowledged god as his father and that he did his fathers will , but he never acknowledged him by a personal name such as jehovah or anything like it.. and lets not forget acts 11:26 it was first in antioch that followers of jesus by divine providence were to be called christians , not jehovah`s witnesses,.

smiddy.

TheLiberator

I couldn't understand how anyone could not use God's name after leaving the Watchtower. This was very difficult for me to grasp. However, in time, I naturally ceased using God's name in prayer.

Then I realized what happened. God waa not my friend. He was truly my father. You naturally don't use your parent's name when addressing them. Thus Jesus was introducing the father.

As far as God's name in the NT, I quickly learned why it was missing. Many times when quoting the OT, Paul applies scripture that was originally addressed to Yahweh, to Christ. Why? Simply because God wanted us to focus on Christ. Mark 9: 7: "A cloud came, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud, "This is my beloved Son. Listen to him."

I personally do not believe in the trinity. I now have drawn the conclusion for myself that Christ did not preexist. Thus, Jesus was the complete fullfillment of the "Logos" or master plan of John 1:1. That is why Paul applied the words of Romans: 14:11 to Christ. For it is written, "'As I live,' says the Lord, 'to me every knee will bow. Every tongue will confess to God.'" Basically, Jesus is the complete manifestation of God. . If we know Christ, we know God. 1 Corinthians: 2: 16: "For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him?" But we have Christ's mind."

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Jehovah Witness vs Jehovah's Witness

by Simon in

being brought up as a jehovah's witness means you are so used to the term that you rarely stop to think about it.. one thing i've noticed is that people unfamiliar with the religion will say "jehovah witness" (no 's) instead which i always found a bit grating.. but watching the us election, something struck me.

people are often referred to as "trump supporters", not "trump's supporters" and so on.

thinking about other things, people would say they were "united fan's", not "united's fans" and so on.. it seems weird that a group would refer to themselves as though it was someone else talking about them (in the 3rd person, if i have that right).. what do you think?

TheLiberator

My old presiding overseer said that we NEED to say, "I am one of Jehovah's witnesses." Whatever.

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78 to go and hopefully something good comes of it. Please do your part and sign up. Thanks

by Tenacious in

only 78 signatures are needed in order to send the request to the irs that they revoke or at the very least investigate the borg.

come'on guys, support it.. click here to support and sign up!.

TheLiberator

Just signed it.

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The smug arrogance of "having the truth".

by stuckinarut2 in

has anyone noticed that witnesses (from the top down) seem to have a quiet form of smug arrogance toward all non witnesses?.

perhaps it comes from being told how "special and unique" they are but they end up looking down on all normal members of the community because they are not witnesses.. so any form of "love" they show those in the territory is also limited as long as they accept the message...otherwise they are viewed contemptuously as "worldly" and therefore of little value...after all,they will be destroyed right?.

TheLiberator

Sad to say, I was one of those smug jerks. I know exactly what you are saying. Now as a "new" Christian, I realize I am just one of billions of sinners. I am no different. I have bad thoughts like anyone else. I needed and still need to show true love to people. Now that I have been stripped of all my "badges" and "stripes" ( "theocratic privileges") it is easy to see who you really are. Just a pile of dust and a shadow.

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Psalm 23

by Truthexplorer in

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TheLiberator

The Psalmist simply stated in Psalm: 23:6 "and I will dwell in Yahweh's house forever."
It was certainly his desire and his longing. But is he speaking of heaven?
This was a fascinating discovery for me personally after leaving the Watchtower and it was something I always thought about even before I left. It was this: Nowhere does the old testament teach that anyone is going to heaven. Every scripture speaks of God restoring the earth. Then Jesus appeared. When did Jesus start telling people that they would not die and go off to heaven? Never.
The Jews never believed that. If Jesus had introduced this thought, this would have been a huge upheaval. Rather, he said the "meek shall inherit the earth". He told the evildoer that he would be with him in paradise. Even Paul said concerning children: "Ephesians: 6. 3. "that it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."
There never was a two tier system. Paul never said anyone was going to heaven. But of course he did!! That's what I thought. Read his words again with no preconceived ideas. Not once.
I encourage people to do research into this. I could not possibly explain all of it in this forum. But it certainly is fascinating. My personal conclusion is simply that no man will go to heaven. He will be judged when he is resurrected on earth. I believe God meant what he said:Psalm: 115. 16. "The heavens are the heavens of Yahweh; but the earth has he given to the children of men."

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What were you never going to do in "This system" But did it?

by karter in

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finish school.. finish my apprenticeship (why are you doing that brother karter you will never finish it in this system).. buy a house.. pay the house off.. karter..

TheLiberator

Have grandchildren.

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Psalm 23

by Truthexplorer in

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TheLiberator

The context of Hebrews reads:

Hebrews: 9. 24. For Christ hasn't entered into holy places made with hands, which are representations of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25. nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest enters into the holy place year by year with blood not his own, 26. or else he must have suffered often since the foundation of the world. But now once at the end of the ages, he has been revealed to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27. Inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once, and after this, judgment,

So Paul was simply saying that Christ died once for all time since "it is appointed for men to die once."

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Do JWs ever doubt that the end is really coming?

by dogon in

as a former dubber i had many occasions to doubt that the end was coming.

i was told it was ok to doubt but not to think about it too much and wait on jehovah.

that bull shit lasted until they changed the meaning of generation in 95 and that was the end of that bull shit for me.

TheLiberator

Some (even hard core), are conscious that the end could come, but it is not there focus. They do not run with all the 1914/generation crap. Some are in it just to serve Jehovah and the Watchtower is just the vehicle.

I was one of those. Back in 1988, I wrote to the society, asking if 1914 generation teaching was similar to the trinity or hellfire, in that we will receive no new light. I never seen the letter, but the elders received it and sent the secretary to talk with me. He said: "TheLiberator, we serve Jehovah forever."

I said, "but the generation of 1914.....

Secretary: "We serve Jehovah forever"

I said, "but...

Secretary: "TheLiberator, we serve Jehovah forever."

That conversation made me happy. Nobody wants to get there hopes up. I knew then that things will change. Timetables always bothered me. I wrote that letter because I was working rural territory and I had mentioned that I don't have to worry about many things since I would never get that old. And the presiding overseer's wife said, "that's what we all said" with a sarcastic laugh. My mother in law made the same comment a few years ago. So I believe many don't feel it is coming in there life. Younger ones might, since they feel life is this long, long journey. Not.