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  Psalm 23

  by Truthexplorer in

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  TheLiberator

  The Psalmist simply stated in Psalm: 23:6 "and I will dwell in Yahweh's house forever."
  It was certainly his desire and his longing. But is he speaking of heaven?
  This was a fascinating discovery for me personally after leaving the Watchtower and it was something I always thought about even before I left. It was this: Nowhere does the old testament teach that anyone is going to heaven. Every scripture speaks of God restoring the earth. Then Jesus appeared. When did Jesus start telling people that they would not die and go off to heaven? Never.
  The Jews never believed that. If Jesus had introduced this thought, this would have been a huge upheaval. Rather, he said the "meek shall inherit the earth". He told the evildoer that he would be with him in paradise. Even Paul said concerning children: "Ephesians: 6. 3. "that it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."
  There never was a two tier system. Paul never said anyone was going to heaven. But of course he did!! That's what I thought. Read his words again with no preconceived ideas. Not once.
  I encourage people to do research into this. I could not possibly explain all of it in this forum. But it certainly is fascinating. My personal conclusion is simply that no man will go to heaven. He will be judged when he is resurrected on earth. I believe God meant what he said:Psalm: 115. 16. "The heavens are the heavens of Yahweh; but the earth has he given to the children of men."
  
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  What were you never going to do in "This system" But did it?

  by karter in

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  finish school.. finish my apprenticeship (why are you doing that brother karter you will never finish it in this system).. buy a house.. pay the house off.. karter..

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  TheLiberator

  Have grandchildren.
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  Psalm 23

  by Truthexplorer in

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  The context of Hebrews reads:

  Hebrews: 9. 24. For Christ hasn't entered into holy places made with hands, which are representations of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25. nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest enters into the holy place year by year with blood not his own, 26. or else he must have suffered often since the foundation of the world. But now once at the end of the ages, he has been revealed to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27. Inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once, and after this, judgment,

  So Paul was simply saying that Christ died once for all time since "it is appointed for men to die once."
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  Do JWs ever doubt that the end is really coming?

  by dogon in

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  as a former dubber i had many occasions to doubt that the end was coming.

  i was told it was ok to doubt but not to think about it too much and wait on jehovah.

  that bull shit lasted until they changed the meaning of generation in 95 and that was the end of that bull shit for me.

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  Some (even hard core), are conscious that the end could come, but it is not there focus. They do not run with all the 1914/generation crap. Some are in it just to serve Jehovah and the Watchtower is just the vehicle.

  I was one of those. Back in 1988, I wrote to the society, asking if 1914 generation teaching was similar to the trinity or hellfire, in that we will receive no new light. I never seen the letter, but the elders received it and sent the secretary to talk with me. He said: "TheLiberator, we serve Jehovah forever."

  I said, "but the generation of 1914.....

  Secretary: "We serve Jehovah forever"

  I said, "but...

  Secretary: "TheLiberator, we serve Jehovah forever."

  That conversation made me happy. Nobody wants to get there hopes up. I knew then that things will change. Timetables always bothered me. I wrote that letter because I was working rural territory and I had mentioned that I don't have to worry about many things since I would never get that old. And the presiding overseer's wife said, "that's what we all said" with a sarcastic laugh. My mother in law made the same comment a few years ago. So I believe many don't feel it is coming in there life. Younger ones might, since they feel life is this long, long journey. Not.
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  Psalm 23

  by Truthexplorer in

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  Never appreciated this Psalm as much as I do now. Very personal.
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  Outstanding new book out today for you atheists, agnostics, humanists, naturalists and free thinkers

  by Cornbread in

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  i just got back from the bookstore and i can't wait to sink into it based on all the reviews and press it has been getting.

  it's called the big picture - on the origin of life, meaning, and the universe itself by sean carroll.. “weaving the threads of astronomy, physics, chemistry, biology, and philosophy into a seamless narrative tapestry, sean carroll enthralls us with what we’ve figured out in the universe and humbles us with what we don’t yet understand.

  yet in the end, it’s the meaning of it all that feeds your soul of curiosity.” —neil degrasse tyson, host of cosmos: a spacetime odyssey*publishers weekly #1 most anticipated science book of spring 2016*"already internationally acclaimed for his elegant, lucid writing on the most challenging notions in modern physics, sean carroll is emerging as one of the greatest humanist thinkers of his generation as he brings his extraordinary intellect to bear not only on higgs bosons and extra dimensions but now also on our deepest personal questions.

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  Psalm: 103:15-18

  "As for man, his days are like grass. As a flower of the field, so he flourishes. For the wind passes over it, and it is gone. Its place remembers it no more. But Yahweh's loving kindness is from everlasting to everlasting with those who fear him, his righteousness to children's children; to those who keep his covenant, to those who remember to obey his precepts."
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  God's Word and Modern Man

  by TheLiberator in

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  i have drawn the conclusion that when god speaks, he is using the language and the concepts of the time.

  he is not revealing a new scientific understanding when he speaks.

  that would be distracting from the point being made.

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  What keeps people trapped in the Watchtower, are the few truths they have. These serve as bars on the cage and the gb know it. Thus, "Where will you go?" Mainstream churches don't have anything in common with those few truths. So it takes some research to see if anyone else teaches similar. But, the differences that I have discovered make what I believe 100% different from the Watchtower.

  1) I partake of emblems. Thus, God is my father. Not friend.

  2) No one is going to heaven

  3) Christ did not preexist

  4) Read the Bible literally, unless it is clearly an analogy or it clearly allows for difference (such as creative days)

  5) No one is a master of my faith. Conscience matters are just that.

  Those differences are huge. If you say they are not, I guess taking a hydrogen atom out of a water molecule is no big deal.

  P.S- My point earlier was that no matter what you experienced later as a religious person, you still speak ignorantly. As if you never experienced anything.
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  God's Word and Modern Man

  by TheLiberator in

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  i have drawn the conclusion that when god speaks, he is using the language and the concepts of the time.

  he is not revealing a new scientific understanding when he speaks.

  that would be distracting from the point being made.

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  Cofty: One thing is very clear: You were NEVER a Christian. You speak as an outsider to Christianity. You reason like an ignorant person who is clueless about faith. Did you ever meditate beyond the pages of a Watchtower? It is obvious you did not. Reading your words is like reading a science article in the Awake! Total ignorance. You were nothing but a Watchtower slave. Some of us were Christian at heart. We wanted to be Christian, but didn't really know what that meant. Now, some of us became true Christians. You have NO idea what that is. Stop talking like you do.
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  God's Word and Modern Man

  by TheLiberator in

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  i have drawn the conclusion that when god speaks, he is using the language and the concepts of the time.

  he is not revealing a new scientific understanding when he speaks.

  that would be distracting from the point being made.

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  Cofty: Not true one bit.
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  God's Word and Modern Man

  by TheLiberator in

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  i have drawn the conclusion that when god speaks, he is using the language and the concepts of the time.

  he is not revealing a new scientific understanding when he speaks.

  that would be distracting from the point being made.

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  TheLiberator

  Was Dawkins raised an atheist?