http://www.islamicweb.com/history/chronology.htm
according to a pro-islam website... islam?s history is filled with conquest and violence.
i was intrigued by another posters post about how the crusades were in response to the muslims invading the western world... so i had to do my own research to see if this was actually true.. as it turns out, the muslims have a habit of trying to take over the world.
Realist:
I Became a JW in 1968 at the age of 9. I served as a Pioneer, MS and then an Elder in 1993. I left the Jws in 2001. I DA?ed myself.
I believe that Christianity itself is the true fath, not any one religion. I do not belong to any Church at this time. My agenda is truth, perspective and context of these matters. I love history, and my favorite color is blue.....
http://www.islamicweb.com/history/chronology.htm
according to a pro-islam website... islam?s history is filled with conquest and violence.
i was intrigued by another posters post about how the crusades were in response to the muslims invading the western world... so i had to do my own research to see if this was actually true.. as it turns out, the muslims have a habit of trying to take over the world.
""In fact the church influence in the european government was the main reason people fled to the americas .""
lol. You are off about six hundred years. In England, it was the Protestant/Puritans that some wanted to escape from, not "The Church" or the Catholics. By this time, the Governments removed themselves from Papal control long ago......
However, the people who did come to America did brought with them religion too. Read what the State?s Charters say about God.....
http://www.islamicweb.com/history/chronology.htm
according to a pro-islam website... islam?s history is filled with conquest and violence.
i was intrigued by another posters post about how the crusades were in response to the muslims invading the western world... so i had to do my own research to see if this was actually true.. as it turns out, the muslims have a habit of trying to take over the world.
http://www.islamicweb.com/history/chronology.htm
according to a pro-islam website... islam?s history is filled with conquest and violence.
i was intrigued by another posters post about how the crusades were in response to the muslims invading the western world... so i had to do my own research to see if this was actually true.. as it turns out, the muslims have a habit of trying to take over the world.
Satanus:
I urge you to take up some reading on the subject, if you want an impartial view of History..
This is important: Medieval people would be shocked today at what we do for "political" expediency and why.
Do you know why this is so? If you don't I will explain. However, back to the facts of the matter:
Why did the Moors (Muslims) enter Spain unfettered? Because the feudal system of that time did not have a standing Army. Notwithstanding, The Followers of Christ did not have an army. The Christian Kingdoms, through the expense of the various Lords and vassals, committed land, possessions and money to drive the Moors out Spain.
Besides, your claim does not hold water, if one can march in and invade unopposed, this makes it right or justified? Give me a break. You seem to really bend over backwards for the ill in this world....
There were many "Crusades" in many other areas of the world, besides the Holy Land. Some took place in Europe itself, there were the Eastern Crusades that battled the Mongrels attacking from the North, and the Byzantium Crusades which involved the Turks and at other times, Arabs.
The "Holy Land" Crusades consisted of mainly four periods.
Remember, St. Augustine?s requirement of a Just war for Christians required that it could not take place for "conversions" only to repel invasions and conquests. Which they did.
Your St. John?s Knights History is incorrect. St. John?s Knights (England)are a more recent order that claims lineage from the Hospitalers (France) which were disbanded in the 15 th Century.
The Crusader States lasted for about two hundred years. Their outposts and fortifications are still in existence today, testaments to the commitment by Lords, Princes, and common folks who "Took up the Cross" to stop Islam?s onslaughts.
http://www.islamicweb.com/history/chronology.htm
according to a pro-islam website... islam?s history is filled with conquest and violence.
i was intrigued by another posters post about how the crusades were in response to the muslims invading the western world... so i had to do my own research to see if this was actually true.. as it turns out, the muslims have a habit of trying to take over the world.
Here is an example of the one-sided propaganda that is out there:
""chose. Most did, only the fanatical Christians who were blinded by hate were discharged. Not exactly how the Christian crusuaders handled things. They, encouraged by the corrupt papacy, killed every thing in site, muslims, christians and anyone that remotely looked Arab. Now that the fanatical muslims are doing the same thing, we should be careful how we wag our fingers at them.""
The fact is Islam was the aggressor. The fact is every Crusade responded to a conquest or invasion. It was in fact, that under the Turks, all were living in peace in the Holy land. When Islam invaded, the intolerance started. Churches were burned and pilgrims held hostage or killed.
The greatest slaughter of all the Crusades was brought by Saladin at the slaughter of Hadden. Beheading, woman and children, out of all the conflicts, this was the worse. Was there reprisals? you bet.
In fact, Saladin had so much respect for how Richard the LionHeart conducted the war, that he commented that if he lost, "be it better to King Richard" than anyone else.
Notice the use of "fanatical", Christians or muslims, that should gieve any thinking person a red flag right off the bat.
One only need to research the information on Medieval institutions and thinking to see this misguided attempt to explain the dynamics of what was happening at the time. All this is, is "internet cut and paste" rubbish.
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http://www.islamicweb.com/history/chronology.htm
according to a pro-islam website... islam?s history is filled with conquest and violence.
i was intrigued by another posters post about how the crusades were in response to the muslims invading the western world... so i had to do my own research to see if this was actually true.. as it turns out, the muslims have a habit of trying to take over the world.
Elsewhere:
Good for you. You are correct. History teaches us a lot about what we are up against today.
Sadly, some here take the JW propaganda side regarding the Crusades and what Islam is and has been. Medieval people would be shocked today at what we do for "political" expediency and why.
With all its faults, the Crusades saved Europe from invasion...
friends,.
there's a trend among us that i find disturbing, if not humerous.
that is the gullibility we sometimes have in believing that the society is close to putting out a "new date" for armageddon.
I agree with NN. Dates are their bread and butter..... It gives the WT control of those who believe. Keep putting the date just far enough ahead in time so that we must follow the directions of the slave to survive....Pure genius. The WT does not need the whole world's conversion. Only enough "useful Idiots", Three to five million, is just enough to keep the cash flowing and their world going....
farewell to the gipper...president reagan
reagan set in motion many great policies that most today do not realize.
the fall of the ussr (do a search here for "sick bear" for the facts), killing inflation, cutting taxes while tripling the nations revenue (too bad congress did not follow suite and cut spending, as agreed), lifting the nations spirits and pride after many years of failed policies.
Farewell to the Gipper...President Reagan Reagan set in motion many great policies that most today do not realize. The fall of the USSR (do a search here for "Sick Bear" for the facts), killing Inflation, Cutting taxes while tripling the Nations revenue (too bad Congress did not follow suite and cut spending, as agreed), lifting the Nations spirits and pride after many years of failed policies. It was his vision of Amreica and his cause of Freedom that will forever ring though all the world. As a Witness in the early 80s, This was the first time I was ashamed not to vote and be a part of the pride and vision Regan commanded. His energy and vision, did, in fact, gave me the courage to break away from the JWs in the area of Higher Education, and I went to College and got a Degree, I wanted to do more than just "survive" until Armageddon came. I was a Photojournalist in the 80s and have many found memories (and photos) of when he made his campaign stops in the Orange County, CA area. Goodbye and thanks for your leadership! You affected my life, even as a Jehovah's Witnesses.
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=4063
why american muslim converts turn to terrorism.
by robert spencer.
Well,
The repel of the Muslim invasion in Spain was a success.
The First Crusade was a Success.
The Second was mixed,
The Third Crusade, lead by Richard the LionHeart was a success in the liberation of Cypress and he opened the sea ports of Acre and Antioch, and he won the right of Christians and Jews to visit the Holy Land unmolested. And he slowed the aggression of Islam on Constantinople.
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=4063
why american muslim converts turn to terrorism.
by robert spencer.
Simon, History shows The Christian Kingdoms each time responded to a Muslim Invasion or Conquest.
As an example, the Reconquista, or the invasion of the Moors (Muslims) in Spain. If the Christian Kingdoms did not respond to the Muslin Invasion of Spain, Spain would not exist as we know it today. The Crusades slowed and stopped/repelled in most cases, the Muslim onslaught in Western Europe.
A good book is "A Concise History of the Crusades" by Thomas Madden
Pope Urban III made the call after the Muslims invaded Palestine and repealed the existing Christians and Jews there by putting them to death. The Battle of Hadden was a good example of Muslim aggression.
There can be little doubt that the Crusades slowed the advance of Islam. The presence of the Crusader states in the Near East for almost two centuries certainly destabilized Muslim power and therefore hindered unification into a single Islamic state.
The Crusades bought western Europe some time. Judging by the number of occasions on which Europe narrowly escaped Turkish invasion in the 15 th and 16 th centuries, Europe had need of that time.
Give credit where credit is due.