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  My daughter is getting married today!!!! But I'm too EVIL to attend...

  by Bryan in

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  i wonder who the noe-jehovah s.o.b is that's walking my daughter down the isle?.

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  ThiChi

  Really, I would go. Low key, back row, witness the wedding and then split. Blood is thicker than water, even if only one side feels that way now (belive me, things can change, and fast too). Give a card to the attendant to give to your daughter, the card sould wish her well, include $100 for a gift....that is what I would do......
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  Is Global Warming a Myth?

  by Sirona in

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  i've been reading about global warming recently and to be honest its getting more confusing by the minute.. some say there is so much evidence that it is caused by humans (burning of fossil fuels etc) but some say that it is a natural cycle that we shouldn't worry about.. http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm.

  what is the truth?

  are you concerned about our planet?.

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  ThiChi

  """You are arguing, using statements about North America and Europe "the same holds true world wide". Prove it.""
  

  A fair question!

  In a study presented at the meeting of the Ecological Society of America in Spokane, Washington, scientists reported that the amount of vegetation that has been lost to logging, burning, and agriculture throughout human history is the equivalent of about 180 billion tons of carbon-carbon transferred to the atmosphere as the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide.

  DeFries and Field's study used an "untouched-by-human-hands" model of the Earth's vegetation cover extrapolated from current land-use data, and compared the model to data collected by National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Association (NOAA) satellites.

  The study looked at carbon loss by considering areas where forests were turned into cropland or pasture, where woodlands have been degraded, and where savannas have turned into desert as a result of human activity. Prior to 1850, massive portions of European, Asian, and North American forests were cleared. The study showed that we had deforested much of the mid-latitudes before the start of the last century. The largest amount of carbon loss came from Asia with about 70 billion tons. North America, Europe and Africa lost between 20 and 30 billion tons each since humans began altering the landscape, according to the study.

  Today, a variety of practices including farmland abandonment and subsequent forest regrowth in the mid-latitudes; changing agricultural practices; and, the prevention of forest fires have now generated plant growth to a point that the claim that we have more trees than 100 years ago is correct. The study was supported by NASA's Earth Observing System program.
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  Is Global Warming a Myth?

  by Sirona in

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  i've been reading about global warming recently and to be honest its getting more confusing by the minute.. some say there is so much evidence that it is caused by humans (burning of fossil fuels etc) but some say that it is a natural cycle that we shouldn't worry about.. http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm.

  what is the truth?

  are you concerned about our planet?.

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  ThiChi

  ""ThiChi

  You supplied information relating to North American forestation in responding to a post about global forestation.
  

  Either you made a mistake (a careless one) by not reading what you were C&Ping, or you were 'trying one on'. Of course, if one cuts and pastes material one has READ AND UNDERSTOOD, there's no problem...

  As you don't even have the honesty to admit you made a mistake...""

  Wow, it sure is smoky in here....

  You can?t rebut the information, so you hang your hat on this non-issue. Again, just for you, this information is relevant because;

  1. An acclaimed Environmentalist admits an "agenda" regarding this topic, so the information makes a powerful point regarding all information on this subject. In fact, his claim is based, inpart, on DeFries and Field's study that includes "world wide" figures.

  2. America is the foremost producer and consumer of lumber in the world, so this information is relevant, especially since it is not the leader in Forest management, worldwide. It really goes without saying that many here hold America as responsible for consumption of lumber in the world, and expects the US to take the lead/blame for this situation. This information rebuts this situation in America.

  3. For your benefit, I then provided more information as an example outside America that debunks the same agenda, this time in South America.

  4. Your argument does not pass the intelligence test. When claims are made like "world wide" or "everywhere" you should realize this begs the question. Yes, somewhere in the world, a land area has less trees than when it started. So, the only way to address the problem worldwide is to look at areas that are under attack the most. I started with America and S America.

  Your argument that we have to only speak in general terms about the "whole world" without any specific examples, is ludicrous and overly simplistic. I sand by this information as relevant to the topic at hand. This is the logic I used to determine the information was relevant. There is an honesty problem, but it is not coming from me......
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  Is Global Warming a Myth?

  by Sirona in

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  i've been reading about global warming recently and to be honest its getting more confusing by the minute.. some say there is so much evidence that it is caused by humans (burning of fossil fuels etc) but some say that it is a natural cycle that we shouldn't worry about.. http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm.

  what is the truth?

  are you concerned about our planet?.

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  ThiChi

  ""Too bad you're a Californian ""

  Wow. That comment took me back to when I was a teenager visiting, of all places, Grants Pass, Oregon In the 1970s..... This old man (a witnesses) stated to me that "California is a graveyard for Jehovah?s Witnesses." I feel sorry you are from California.....

  That is funny how certain words can cause a flash back.....

  Well, I feel sorry I am from California too! .

  Heathen:

  good point....
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  Is Global Warming a Myth?

  by Sirona in

  1. jw
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  i've been reading about global warming recently and to be honest its getting more confusing by the minute.. some say there is so much evidence that it is caused by humans (burning of fossil fuels etc) but some say that it is a natural cycle that we shouldn't worry about.. http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm.

  what is the truth?

  are you concerned about our planet?.

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  ThiChi

  Same here, I do enjoy your posts.....
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  Is Global Warming a Myth?

  by Sirona in

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  i've been reading about global warming recently and to be honest its getting more confusing by the minute.. some say there is so much evidence that it is caused by humans (burning of fossil fuels etc) but some say that it is a natural cycle that we shouldn't worry about.. http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm.

  what is the truth?

  are you concerned about our planet?.

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  ThiChi

  ""The LA Times article doesn't represent the forests of the world, nor super-forests of Africa and S America. It doesn't represent the loss of old-growth forests that have harboured many diverse species which do not and cannot live and develop in a farmed forest environment. These old-growth forest which Bush and his special interest groups and corporations want to destroy (had to put a political punch in there as it is all politics and corporate money). It's been in the local news often enough here in the Pac NW and in Calif. Redwoods""
  

  No claim was made that it did. No where. However, this situation is the same all around the world. So the information is representative of all timber type forests everywhere where Forest Management is used. I stand by this claim.

  I can provide much information around the world if I need to (but, by God, I don?t want to be accused of Cut & Past...)

  Your other claims do not pass the logic test:

  Your claim that " loss of old-growth forests that have harbored many diverse species " is just another myth. In fact, it has been shown that when trees are cleared, more sun light comes through, providing more species support/ fauna/ than a darkened forest does, creating a richer environment and a base for more growth.

  The fact is, emotionally, we like the look of a forest much more than a cleared area.

  Notwithstanding, Where did the "diverse species" live when the "old Growth" Forest was new? Again, just superficial reasoning.....

  ""Bush and his special interest groups and corporations want to destroy (had to put a political punch in there as it is all politics and corporate money). It's been in the local news often enough here in the Pac NW and in Calif. Redwoods""

  Again, not the true facts of the matter. In fact, the Government/Enviros have destroyed more forest through letting the vegetation build up to the point that it has burned many Acers in California and other states. Clearing is good for the forest, and most importantly, it is a renewable resource.

  """The scientific evidence paints a much brighter picture of deforestation in the world. Looking at the NASA Landsat satellite images of the deforestation rates in the Amazon rainforest as an example, about 12.5 percent has been cleared. Of the 12.5 percent, one half to one third of that is fallow, or in the process of regeneration, meaning that at any given moment up to 94 percent of the Amazon is left to nature. Even the Environmental Defense Fund and Sting's Rainforest Foundation concede, among the fine print, that the forest is nearly 90 percent intact.

  Philip Stott of the University of London and author of the new book, "Tropical Rainforests: Political and Hegemonic Myth-making," maintains that the environmental campaigns have lost perspective.

  "One of the simple, but very important, facts is that the rainforests have only been around for between 12,000 and 16,000 years," he says. "That sounds like a very long time, but in terms of the history of the earth, it's hardly a pinprick. The simple point is that there are now still -- despite what humans have done -- more rainforests today than there were 12,000 years ago." ""

  I agree.............
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  Is Global Warming a Myth?

  by Sirona in

  1. jw
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  i've been reading about global warming recently and to be honest its getting more confusing by the minute.. some say there is so much evidence that it is caused by humans (burning of fossil fuels etc) but some say that it is a natural cycle that we shouldn't worry about.. http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm.

  what is the truth?

  are you concerned about our planet?.

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  ThiChi

  Abaddon:

  Wow, hit a nerve, did I? While I noticed you used "cut & past" to create your response, that makes you what? A hypocrite? Who knows? Would it have made you feel any better if I typed the information in by hand instead? The absurdity of your "poison well" tactic is plain to all....attack the messenger and not the information.....

  At any rate, in fact, the same holds true world wide. In fact, Europe has a much more aggressive Forest management plan than we do....The co2 is driving all forests throughout the world through the roof, so to speak. America?s example is relevant since it is by far the largest consumer and producer of wood products for the whole world. So the points are valid to rebut the claim made.

  Notwithstanding, a very powerful point is made economically, by a renowned Environmentalist, which demonstrates the radical left?s agenda once more...If this is over your head, I can?t help you.....

  (this also was cut & past...sorry)
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  Is Global Warming a Myth?

  by Sirona in

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  i've been reading about global warming recently and to be honest its getting more confusing by the minute.. some say there is so much evidence that it is caused by humans (burning of fossil fuels etc) but some say that it is a natural cycle that we shouldn't worry about.. http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm.

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  are you concerned about our planet?.

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  ThiChi

  ""Ok, now add the fact the the world is depleting it's forests at an alarming rate. "" Really? Source: Los Angeles Times Headline: Commentary: Greens Don't See Forest for the Trees Byline: Patrick Moore, co-founder of Greenpeace, president of Greenspirit Dateline: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 "It has become a principle of the environmental movement to insist that wood and paper products be certified as originating from sustained, managed forests. ... Lord help those who don't fall in line, as big-box retailers and builders discovered when Greenpeace and the Rainforest Action Network became their judge and jury - hanging corporate reputations from the rafters with the TV cameras rolling."

  "The environmental movement's campaign to force industry into accepting it as the only judge of sustainable forestry is pushing consumers away from renewable forest products and toward nonrenewable, energy-intensive materials such as steel, concrete and plastic."

  "Wood is the most renewable and sustainable of the major building materials. On all measures comparing the environmental effects of common building materials, wood has the least impact on total energy use, greenhouse gases, air and water pollution and solid waste. So why isn't the environmental movement demanding that the steel and concrete industries submit to an audit for "sustainability"? ... Because emotive images of forests sell memberships."

  "The environmental movement has unfortunately led the public into believing that when people use wood, they cause the loss of forests. This widespread guilt is misplaced. North America's forests are not disappearing. In fact, there is about the same amount of forest cover today as there was 100 years ago, even though we consume more wood per capita than any other region in the world. Isn't this proof positive that forests are renewable and sustainable?"

  "When we buy wood, we are sending a signal to plant more trees to satisfy demand. If there were no demand for wood, landowners would clear away the forest and grow something else instead."
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  What Kind of Animal are You?

  by patio34 in

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  what kind of animal are you?.

  http://www.animalinyou.com/survey.asp.

  i'm a wild dog .

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  ThiChi

  Fox
  Genera and species: Vulpes Vulpes
  Collective Term: A skulk of foxes

  Description
  Appealing and cerebral and of average size, the fox is a close relative of both the wolf and dog personalities and displays typical canine qualities of loyalty, passion and creativity. Largely misunderstood to be a shy, retreating individual, it's the fox's unique stature as a small carnivore that defines its survival strategy. Because it cannot succeed in the world using brute force alone, it must rely on its sharp mind and engaging personality to garner resources, and it consequently spends a lot of time in its head -- giving the impression that it's trying to outsmart its friends. So the fox is often surprised to learn that its intellectual pursuits are intimidating.

  So, the fox tempers its serious nature with a sardonic sense of humor and engaging playfulness while interacting with its eclectic community. It expects others to be as honest about their strengths and shortcomings as it is of its own, and while these high expectations don't make the fox a snob, it expects its friends to first demonstrate their worthiness before returning the favor with loyalty and devotion.

  Foxes are typically successful in the work place but their competitiveness and ambition sometimes makes coworkers feel belittled. They would never deliberately take advantage of others, but their single-mindedness often blinds them to their feelings. So they thrive in their own businesses and like to surround themselves with family and friends in these ventures. Although they demand consensus in all decisions, they dominate discussions and steer the plans to reflect their own agenda.

  A discussion with a fox is invariably stimulating and challenging. Its great curiosity and worldly experience makes it a wonderful conversationalist and it's able to hold forth on a number of different topics with ease. Sometimes, however, the fox will view a conversation as a competitive challenge, which proves to be off-putting and annoying to its companions.

  Careers and Hobbies Computer programmer Lawyer Doctor Advertising Chess Gambling Debating Jeopardy
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  Is Global Warming a Myth?

  by Sirona in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been reading about global warming recently and to be honest its getting more confusing by the minute.. some say there is so much evidence that it is caused by humans (burning of fossil fuels etc) but some say that it is a natural cycle that we shouldn't worry about.. http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm.

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  are you concerned about our planet?.

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  ThiChi

  ""what if our oxygen producing capacity is greatly depleted, then what happens to this excess CO2?"

  ""What about the ice caps?""

  Despite breathless media reports and speculation of an ice-free Northwest passage, Holloway, a scientist with the Institute of Ocean Science in Victoria, suggests that it's far more likely that the ice has just been moved around in the cycles of arctic winds. "It's more complicated than we thought," The Canada National Post quotes Holloway as saying. The original theory was based on declassified records from the trips of U.S. submarines under the ice.
  
  Satellite photos have clearly shown that the surface area of the ice has decreased about 3% a year for the last 20 years. The question always was: How thick was it? Here's the truth, from a physicist - sound science, not junk science rooted in fear - sea ice is not melting as we've been told. Do you have the courage to believe it?

  Cooling earth temperatures between A.D. 1000 and 1900 have been linked to deforestation during that period, according to environmental researchers. Using computer simulations to test their theories, researchers at the Lawrence Livermore laboratory concluded that the regions on Earth which cooled more over those 800 years were also the hardest hit by deforestation. The researchers' discovery casts doubt on the debated notion that a great abundance of trees on earth can slow global warming. It's just the opposite.

  These "climate predictors" have now learned that deforestation results in cooling, and as a result, they are actually complaining! A monkey wrench has been thrown into the works that upsets the whole political agenda of global warming - because cutting trees is never, ever good. Now, we find out that the number one environmentalist cause, global warming, can be retarded, maybe even averted by clear-cutting - and that these warmer temperatures are actually healing the ozone and not causing the ice caps to melt!