Posts by prologos

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Yes, for good reason appellation Father is dominant in the NT over Jehovah

by QC in

the purpose of the christian era is to moves descendent of adam into the family of jesus, the "last adam eternal father.

" 1co 15:45; isa 9:6 so, the christian order is familial, it is about jesus' family pleasing the father.. .

this is why jesus is the center piece of the nt greek text.

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mP thank you for your replies.

All I wanted to do, is make sense of the term in the Law covenant that Israel would be "a KINGDOM (monarchy) of priests".--- please remember that

At the time of Moses, there was no Royal Dynasty of David among the twelve tribes and even

Each firstborn was supposed to fill priestly duty and NOT JUST THE tribe of LEVI.

I did not want to extoll the US as a paragon of perfection. I have lived in 7 other countries and each has its own charms and flavor(u)s*. and radically changing forms of governemnt.

The story of Israel was unique and Amerca is unique, You can pick Bacteria* and Shangrila*. but: You are haggling here about an illustration.

I would like to learn more about the "Father" or originator mentioned in the topic above. really

* two fictional places to offend no one, although Bacteria went from Monarchy to Democracy to Rightwing Dictator to extreme Left Dictator to Democracy in one Century. it would not be a fitting analogy to a stable "Kingdom of priests.

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Jesus didn't care about chronologies and bible knowledge--why should we?

by humbled in

when i read the gospels, i don't find a bunch of numbers.

i loved that jesus talked in a way that left me wide open to respond to god.

"love god with your whole heart, mind, soul and strength and your neighbor as yourself".

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acts 1:7 you will not understand time- appointed times, -- placed in the father's jurisdiction---

1tim. 1:4 Genealogies--foolish--

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JW women in critical condition after being attacked by pit bull while out in service

by JimmyPage in

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http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20130319_11_0_twowom831238.

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It is terrible to have your worst fears of being punished for going H2H come true.

if you go to the bottom of the news paper's current articles,

did you notice the Item of ---Officials of an organisation

JAILED for not reporting Child abuse?

Hopefully Emergency Room Funding will cover all the Medical bills for the ladies. and they will heal well.

Ja/Je Can muzzle the maws of LIONS for Daniel but not the mouth of a dog for ladies?

protecting angels slower and/or less powerful than a man with a gun?

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Yes, for good reason appellation Father is dominant in the NT over Jehovah

by QC in

the purpose of the christian era is to moves descendent of adam into the family of jesus, the "last adam eternal father.

" 1co 15:45; isa 9:6 so, the christian order is familial, it is about jesus' family pleasing the father.. .

this is why jesus is the center piece of the nt greek text.

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mp thank you, your comments,questions are well taken.

I used the President Calvin Coolidge quote:

The Business of America is BUSINESS. to illustrate

The Main thrust of Exodus 19:6. which showed the INTENT of the Law covenant, at which task the nation failed. similarly,

Not every American has to be an T Edison, or a Tesla* or a Henry Ford, or Otto* or Diesel* or Whittle* or a Carnegy or Rothschild* or ---

Like every American (unlike most Europeans, particularly British subjects), anybody could make good for himself, rise to the very top, become Queen or President.

Ex.19 implies that every Israelite should have made it his business to reflect the glory of the Creator (if any).

This privilege was not limited to a few, certainly not what WT BtS sees as the final fulfillment of this in the 144 000 elite Israelites of God.

sorry for the off topic rant.

*just a few examples of the non-Amercan contribution to the business of business. Diesel, the Paris based motor developer, Whittle the English inventor of the Jet engine. Tesla the Balkan - born father of Our real, AC electrical systems. --

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Yes, for good reason appellation Father is dominant in the NT over Jehovah

by QC in

the purpose of the christian era is to moves descendent of adam into the family of jesus, the "last adam eternal father.

" 1co 15:45; isa 9:6 so, the christian order is familial, it is about jesus' family pleasing the father.. .

this is why jesus is the center piece of the nt greek text.

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mp thank you, but the Jewish nation "--you will become -- a kingdom (singular) of priests---" Exodus 19:6 (preamble to Law covenant.)

:hence the mixed multitude.-- Queeen of sheeba-- etc etc. that nation was the only one representing Jehovah (the desert God) for better or worse, mostly worse, was the nation of Israel,

divine mediation was supposed to be the national enterprise.and

of course to put on record the example on --how not to do it with mostly corrupt government and religious leaders.and

Israelites became the best MEDIATORS in Commerce, finance instead.

Just as the US has become a BUSINESS model for the world, ( not a religious one.) Edison, Ford, Steve Job, Gates were not priests but pioneers of progress.american style.

"thats madness": yes, it is a mad mad world.

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Memorial Invites from Door to Door?

by NeonMadman in

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is this the first year that the jws have been out aggressively handing out memorial invitations from door to door?

i've been out for about 12 years now, but as i recall, congregations used to receive a relatively limited number of memorial invitations, and they were pretty much reserved for bible studies, good rvs, inactive persons, and others who had some sort of connection to the organization.

they were not just randomly handed out from house to house - that was what the "special talk" invitations were for.. it occurs to me that this might be an attempt by the wts to pump up the memorial attendance so as to maintain the illusion of continued growth.

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In the last years only, it seems mainly an attempt to

keep the JWs R&F TOO BUSY to think. About the disaster that is looming.

Enough invitations are distributed, that if honored, would produce enough attendees to

fill every sports stadium in the world .

Jesus invited only 12 out of 500,

not all of Israel, which was suppose to switch from the Law- to the New Covenant.

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Public talk today on evolution today - real doozy

by Comatose in

notes:.

bible says god created us.

scientific principle says - simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

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One would have to hear the talk or see the outline to establish what the slant of the speaker was.

Tying evolution to Hitler and Stalin are cheap, or a sheep's way to forestall any reasoning thought.

Of course the nazi, or more precisely: German imperialistic/revenge thinking had the idea of survival of the fittest, best adapted, as a justification for their method. But they had their own RCC concordat, nordic mythology, destiny religious beliefs.

The Soviets dabbeld in evolution with their genetic "research" pavlov dogs, breeding of dogma into offspring and the like, but as

Julie or Well brings out: there are serious arguments and research still to be done to come to better understandings.

The Adolf and Joe sta tement was to keep the jw audience re-enforcing their prejudices.

Our day will come.

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Why is the Watch Tower Wishy Washy on the Wide gap between the Kingdom- and the New Covenant?

by prologos in

at the "rememberance day of christ's death"*, the stunned audience is again going to be hammered with the idea that.

only the "anointed"* are in the new covenant and only they should "partake"* of communion,-- whereas according to wt publications.

this "remnant"* are really the only exclusive party to the kingdom covenant, that is hardly mentioned in the memorial* talk.

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At the "Rememberance day of Christ's Death"*, the stunned audience is again going to be hammered with the idea that

only the "anointed"* are in the New Covenant and only they should "partake"* of communion,-- whereas according to Wt publications

this "remnant"* are really the only EXCLUSIVE party to the KINGDOM COVENANT, that is hardly mentioned in the Memorial* talk.

New Covenant Jer. 31:-- for forgiveness of Sin.

3 times outlined: Proposed solution by Jesus in John chapter 6.-; --Symbolism introduced at Last Supper; --accomplished or validated by spilling of his blood AFTER his death.

Kingdom Covenant : to rule with Christ for a 1000 years Rev. 20:4 anointed as kings

3 times outlined: 1) Math 19: 28: "-- sitting on 12 thrones--" ; 2) -- repeated to the 11 only,--- AFTER the Last Supper; and -- 3rdly, inaugurated or confirmed at the pouring out of the spirit or anointing of the 120 at Pentecost 33. (or by the martyrdom of Stephen in the 1st known fulfillment of the Rev.20:4 requirement).

*(c) (tm) Wt BtS inc.

Any insights? refutations?

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Question re: Anointed, Last Supper, Pentecost, Ressurrection??

by mind blown in

i've been away from the wts so many years, my memory on certain things is rather fuzzy.

my question is if the holy spirit wasn't poured out til pentecost, how does the last supper come in to play when the apostles weren't even anointed then?

so why is the anointed only to partake of the wine and bread?.

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Village Girl thank you, on this sunny day. I think that the discussions shows that MOST here do not assume that the WT BtS doctrines are sound,

to the contrary many have left, because they are not, or are based on the talking snake etc premise of original sin dogma. house of cards doctrines But

to debate and debunk the WT BtS BS (pardon violating rule 3 and the disrespect), we have to use WT terminology, concepts, constructs.

You can not collapse a house of cards unless you know and name your aces to pull.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 03-17-2013 WT Study (DRAWING CLOSE)

by blondie in

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view of money and pride?.

jehovah?.

comments.

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Blondie, well and good. thank you.

my thoughts on Pr. 12. : Blame and caution is attached to promoters of schemes IN the CONGREGATIONs-- like:

Pyramid or Ponzi or both, or both combined.

Question to WT: why blame, caution the victims?

WHY DO YOU NOT IDENTIFY,

REMOVE these stains from the brotherhood? are they good contributors?

I talked to a bank-employed brother after the meeting about the double digit investment offered by "financial advisers" in the congregation: he said

can only be ponzi. you can get money at 3%, who can be honestly pay 9.9999% plus? " it is a shame, it should be stopped" quote.

May be WT BtS Lawyers, Financiers know a thing or two.