if you were a jw and are now an atheist or agnostic, what was the tipping point that made you turn to it?.
the reason i ask is i have noticed that many who leave the jw's seem to turn to atheism, versus still having some form of a faith.
have many of you given up on god first or have you had atheistic views first and then found atheism to be true.
I am still one notch beyond agnostic, although we are not certain, even in science, of all things; I am still a Deist, my turning ?:
1) watchtower is wrong about the bible,
2) the bible is wrong about reality . wrong compounded. the two witness rule at its best.
3) all book-,tablet- based beliefs are wrong, except the readers of the "book of nature". we just need more time and better glasses; hopefully that will shift the four groups into the better camp either way.
all that jesus spoke about in matthew 24 was fulfilled in the first century.
all of jesus' warnings in that passage were relevant only to natural jews.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbb8rt2bem8.
some crazy cult language in this talk.. some highlights:.
18:15 - obey.
rutherford believed the "great tribulation" would begin during world war 2. his book "enemies" explained america and britain would turn into a fascist/catholic state so...... watchtower 82 8/15 p.10 "for the saftey of the bethel family a place of refuge was built at south landsing new york.
it was never needed for that purpose...later transformed into gilead missionary school...".
watch.
so i have some relatives who work in warwick visiting us this week.
the visit has been largely drama free.
they came between meeting days, so the subject of going to the meetings never came up.. however, they have been talking about the "downsizing.".
TWoY: Why did they not ask for the Obama care for the really needy in their organisation.?
Even Obamacare is relatively expensive compared to the Bismarkcare of 1883.
it has to be starting to fade somehow.
the very last time i went out in field service, hardly any were out.
maybe just about nine people were out and man if you could just see their faces.
i have been a jw my whole life and i have never been able to get a clear answer on this question.
jw's do not believe that jehovah will intervene if someone is sick, dying or stopping a car crash.
they feel that jehovah is letting "this world" play out before he solves all of these problems.
let me begin by stating that i have no insider information, this is merely my observation.
i believe that some time ago in watchtower land, somebody at hq posed these questions (probably an outside consultant because i don't think the gb is this hip): .
what would happen if we cut in half the average age of the responsible brothers in the organization?
Socrateswannabe, what you are saying is certainly true of the new crop of Circuit Overseers , cooky-cutter types, highly trained in their specialty, not renaissance men. Outside the box thinking does not have to come from outside of establishments though.
case in point: the US Moon shots. Von Braun wanted to build solid permanent stations,* stepping stones to Mars, but a staff engineer had a cheaper plan:-- leave big, leave little behind, come back on a parachute, each. * like big branches
so, the bones of jesus, the perfect passover lamb, the second adam, were not broken, to hasten his burial, but why?
because he was already dead !
?, --normally by being pinned up this way ,life ends by asphyxiation, really a natural death, or dehydration.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-march-2016/questions-from-readers/.
did satan physically take jesus to the temple when tempting him?.
put simply, we cannot be certain whether jesus actually stood in the temple or he did so only by means of a vision.
In talk outlines, wt writers, in arguing that "satan" is a real person, discounted the idea that such a monsterocity could be the construct of a "perfect mind" , negating in a way that these temptations were really mental exercises.
Jesus, the potential perfect First Century b*.a.s.e jumper. * building, antenna,--
