How does "universe has a cause" equate to Yahweh and not some other equally improbable deity? indeed, how?
prologos
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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe
by Perry inthe universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe
by Perry inthe universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
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Cb: "--Again I ask the deists here to explain how "universe has beginning" -- Deists are not Theists. This deist trusts in science to reach beyond the beginning condition to set the parameters for the action there, and thereby define the creator by his/her works. A theist would lean toward Quexx ; Brxx ; Thxx ; J&J&S,--- and would certainly a priori be proven wrong. and, please in this discussion, do not start publicly categorising people's minds, that is not the subject, i -
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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe
by Perry inthe universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
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Perry quote: "--The simplest explanation is that space and time were manipulated --" there is no basis for that assertion.
WsIcm: "-- Why doesn't Occams Razor apply? because a supposed eternal, unchanging entity, not moving through time, does not need to shave.
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Another generation....
by joey jojo init has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
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f Rev 7 would be relevant for our generation, using wts various statements on the players' identity, The twelve tribes, aka Other Sheep, bring forth the last of the 144 000, who are sealed, also raptured before the winds of Armageddon, and the members of these tribes emerge, turn out to be the Great crowd, who, if passing the final test will have been saved. or? -
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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe
by Perry inthe universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
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sorry, wrong post transferred, I had mixed up my concerns of cosmic = genesis and comic= wt generation ideas. -
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Another generation....
by joey jojo init has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
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TD --wt August 15, 2009. page 8. .-- so, wt at one time calls these 12 tribes the anointed only, at another, the worldly, but Rev 7 and the quote above make it clear, that the tribes are bigger than the sealed, 144k, , but wt does not want to admit that their "earthly class", the 12 tribes, are "christians" or all "spiritual" Israelite. --For the rulers & priests, the anointed, to be sealed out of the general population, or more particularly from among the exceptional jws, both "classes" have to co-exists, and that is why both the overlapping anointed and the natural general mankind generation have to outlive this together, It is wt that generated these gross generation gyrations, both in length and composition. .
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Another generation....
by joey jojo init has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
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TD: "The JW faith bases their salvific model on Revelation 7 where there are two and only two groups.
My reading gives 3 groups with wt explanation,
1) The 12 tribes of Israel, those with an earthly hope.
2) the 144k sealed out of those tribes (the sealed, anointed heavenly class since Pentecost/ Stephen.)
3) the great Crowd, that is saved, that comes out of the Great tribulation. fits the description of Rev 21 : "wiped every tear from their eyes--"
I thought you had in mind another 3rd group that wt implied to exist in the middle ages.
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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe
by Perry inthe universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
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P: "I do find it interesting that only since Einstein have we been thinking of space and time as a woven fabric. The bible likened it to a fabric back in the "bronze age":
actually, his analogy was more like rubber sheet, for gravity, or the expanding space of the universe as the surface of a pumping up balloon. (ask Tony, spandex becomes a bible topic only now) Isaiah 40: stretch the heavens out like a tent-". a fixed unfolding fabric, unlike the changing of size, and movement through time of the relativity equations.
P: "Some of the folks here are just having a hard time imagining an existence of any kind without time. Who says there was no time before the universe? Just because space and it's content is expanding through time at varying rates for ~14 billion earth years, getting bigger in the process, does not mean that the 4st dimension aka "time" did not exist prior to the big bang acceleration. You are confusing time with movement through time.
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Russell's Yacht the Angel
by wifibandit inthe farmville herald.
(farmville, va.), 19 aug. 1910. chronicling america: historic american newspapers.
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WB: this looks like a serious contender for the America Cup at the time. Practising Tacking maneuvers as in changing doctrines?
L111, Joseph Smith's earlier vessels were the sturdy oak boats on which the 10 lost tribes of Israel came to America in ~ 700 BC. no?
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Another generation....
by joey jojo init has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
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TD: "--There are quite a number of places in JW literature where it is strongly implied that his would be true of those who left the faith. I'm not sure if I've seen the same wording with regard to those whose only contact with JW's was incidental (?) -- Was there not a wt teaching some time ago, that --if you died during a "judgement period" unrepentantly, ( died, just after refusing to take a wt/awake offer for example), your were not be resurrected?
The existence of "Other Sheep" 2 1/2 centuries ago would constitute a third distinct class of Christians who attain neither of the two salvations that JW's teach that the Bible holds out for Christians. -- How so, please give details. was not the wt doctrine that those not of the "little flock" would come back to earth, option B?