Posts by prologos

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God's Word and Modern Man

by TheLiberator in

i have drawn the conclusion that when god speaks, he is using the language and the concepts of the time.

he is not revealing a new scientific understanding when he speaks.

that would be distracting from the point being made.

TheLiberator: "--when God speaks,--" How are you so sure God ever spoke? May be those who in the past made these 'inspired by god' claims, are on the level of the ones today who claim to have been abducted by aliens? Why would the few lucky shots of accuracy in the bible be totally discredited with the blunders of Gen. 1:1, the talking snake, the non digesting fish, the walking on water?

Scientific advance does not come by revelation, but by ingenious detective work, and the supposed creator seems to like it that way. Research and peer review really hammers home the understanding.

If the modern (truth) bible is being written by the Nobel-prize winning researchers, how do we say "Amen" to that?

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Why education is a killer for doomsday cults.

by Half banana in

if you were to read the watchtower literature and you believed it to be the exclusive divinely inspired interpretation of the bible, i suggest that you would not be learning anything useful, instead you would simply be absorbing the indoctrination of the jw org..

what is the difference between indoctrination and education?.

take any passage from the watchtower this sentence for example which assumes significance in the end of six thousand years of human history in 1975: “how then does this fit in with god’s timetable?”.

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U: "A Witness I work with has a very good education and was obtained while a Witness. I also knew witnesses who were rocket scientists. All highly specialized training is not education though. A very good opening post.

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Lesson 1 - Model of Solar-Triggered Earthquakes Confirmed

by Invisible Qualities in

jw
friends

my beloved brothers and sisters, let's talk about science.

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Correlation is not causation, but the sun is biggest vibrator in the neighbourhood. so:?

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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

by Perry in

the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

whatever begins to exist had a cause.

therefore the universe had a cause.

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Cb: "--Also, I'm sorry I offended by using the word "deist", I was trying too hard to be polite.. Your efforts paid off! You succeeded, I wished I made that honor roll, have you checked it lately?

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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

by Perry in

the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

whatever begins to exist had a cause.

therefore the universe had a cause.

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How does "universe has a cause" equate to Yahweh and not some other equally improbable deity? indeed, how?

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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

by Perry in

the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

whatever begins to exist had a cause.

therefore the universe had a cause.

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Cb: "--Again I ask the deists here to explain how "universe has beginning" -- Deists are not Theists. This deist trusts in science to reach beyond the beginning condition to set the parameters for the action there, and thereby define the creator by his/her works. A theist would lean toward Quexx ; Brxx ; Thxx ; J&J&S,--- and would certainly a priori be proven wrong. and, please in this discussion, do not start publicly categorising people's minds, that is not the subject, i

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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

by Perry in

the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

whatever begins to exist had a cause.

therefore the universe had a cause.

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Perry quote: "--The simplest explanation is that space and time were manipulated --" there is no basis for that assertion.

WsIcm: "-- Why doesn't Occams Razor apply? because a supposed eternal, unchanging entity, not moving through time, does not need to shave.

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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f Rev 7 would be relevant for our generation, using wts various statements on the players' identity, The twelve tribes, aka Other Sheep, bring forth the last of the 144 000, who are sealed, also raptured before the winds of Armageddon, and the members of these tribes emerge, turn out to be the Great crowd, who, if passing the final test will have been saved. or?

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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

by Perry in

the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

whatever begins to exist had a cause.

therefore the universe had a cause.

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sorry, wrong post transferred, I had mixed up my concerns of cosmic = genesis and comic= wt generation ideas.

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

prologos

TD --wt August 15, 2009. page 8. .-- so, wt at one time calls these 12 tribes the anointed only, at another, the worldly, but Rev 7 and the quote above make it clear, that the tribes are bigger than the sealed, 144k, , but wt does not want to admit that their "earthly class", the 12 tribes, are "christians" or all "spiritual" Israelite. --For the rulers & priests, the anointed, to be sealed out of the general population, or more particularly from among the exceptional jws, both "classes" have to co-exists, and that is why both the overlapping anointed and the natural general mankind generation have to outlive this together, It is wt that generated these gross generation gyrations, both in length and composition. .