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There is science that prove God exists

by HopeEverLasting in

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jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

there is another mode for how he exists.

now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

prologos

Ok Prologos you should email Lawrence Krauss and let him know that he doesn't mean what he clearly says.

It might be like writing to brooklyn, and the context of what you so well quoted might have changed. . I am just trying to gather MHO, cherry picking , I admit, information from all these sources to fit my world picture/model which has the universe expanding like a 2 (3space-1) dimensional balloon skin. expanding, moving through time from a starting point in time , but time that as a dimension stretches to infinity. Just like I desire more time for my future, I like to cede to the creator time to work in, in the pre-universe past.

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There is science that prove God exists

by HopeEverLasting in

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jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

there is another mode for how he exists.

now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

prologos

Krauss @cofty: "-- the absence of space and time, --"

perhaps that should read "spacetime"? a huge difference. and, "nothing" ,--elsewhere according to these writers, is not only unstable but seething with energy, virtual activity,-- in and out of existence, all implying the existence of time, even if in a well chosen sentence, they might appear to try to nullify that fact; --often, "time" is misinterpreted so as to mean "movement through" time. or?

PS: "instability" can mean to be momentarily stationary, teetering on the brink of movement, but that movement will precipitate movement through time, that according to Sean Carroll.s preference is a pre-existing dimension, not a river that started flowing at the big bang. added:

Is there the possibility that this "nothing", unstable and endowed with seething energy is still out there? waiting to be absorbed by the universe as it expands, constrained by it's "one way sign" in the dimension of time? because don't forget, there IS nothing outside the universe.

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There is science that prove God exists

by HopeEverLasting in

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jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

there is another mode for how he exists.

now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

prologos

A Ha: "These conditions demand the existence of time,

you can not have anything happening without having time to do it in. The big bang was a point in time. the point is: there had to be time to have that point in. If the universe is the result of an imbalance of virtual particle/energy fluctuations, that is an acceleration, meaning time^2.. all that happened in the time preceding the big bang. (read Penrose).-- We are now moving through time, following the one way arrow, since the big bang. and : on the other subject:----the moon/earth system, the Sun are waltzing, rotating along synchronized, no fairies required, obviously.

PS: all these writers, Krauss, Penrose, Carroll imply that there was time and energy in the "void" preceding the big bang, a void,- it can be assumed to still exist outside the now bigger universe, and into which it is expanding since the beginning of the movement outward. so : at what radius in time did these pre-big bang conditions disappear? but if they did not disappear, that energy can still be a property of the void, and is making it's constant appearance into the space that opens up in the expanding universe. That the gist of what I read. or?

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"Spiritual Israel" created in 1919 - not in 33C.E.

by The Searcher in

thanks to the "inspired expressions" of the fds/gb of jehovah's witnesses, not only are 99% of j.w.

's excluded from the new covenant, but apparently none of the first century christians are part of the "israel of god" - aka "spiritual israel.".

w14 11/15 p. 26 par.

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Old israel was more than just the kings and Priests, why should "the Israel of God" (spiritual) be any different? it isn't. Rev 7 has the Kings & Priest come out of the twelve tribes. or being just a small part of.--so:

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This was posted in JW-Archive. No reactions?

by StarTrekAngel in

does anyone know where this is?.

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The Witnesses purchased the building on January 14, 1975.

January 1975? why would they spend money on a property that would be part of the free inheritance, Armageddon leftovers? wt buying real estate while many JWs were pioneering, having closed down their businesses, sold their houses. There should be a balancing of the books on this, brooklyn.

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Describe your witness self, then describe yourself now.

by The Rebel in

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my witness self :-very hollow, slightly lofty, characteristically judgemental, overwhelmingly convincing.. my non-witness self:- and in my imperfect way no longer taking the passive attitude to reality, and most importantly no longer feeling an outsider with my " true" friends..

prologos

as a jw I was all in, genuinely exceeding pioneer and special hours, but working to correct wt's faulty bible research. workaholic on a wt "spiritual" level. now, building equity for my family, see where science leads us, occasional stabs at wt's floundering, errant doctrinal course, enjoying life more and more. precious as it is.

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There is science that prove God exists

by HopeEverLasting in

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friends

jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

there is another mode for how he exists.

now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

prologos

A Ha: "--a creator to have been at work, but that is true whatever the conditions--or even if there were no conditions before the Big Bang.

It is interesting that these thinkers, Penrose among them, concede that there is time , fluctuations, conditions before our beginning, so at least that would give a creator something to work with, even if he had to create that too. Point is, it is there, not accessible to us, not beyond the realm of probabilities.

Moon fairies as straw men?

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There is science that prove God exists

by HopeEverLasting in

jw
friends

jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

there is another mode for how he exists.

now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

prologos

A Ha: "What book says this? I've never read a cosmology or physics book that said new energy was coming into the universe. Energy in the universe is balanced, and no new energy is being added. If it were, it would be all over the news.

Currently reading Sean Carroll " from eternity to here" and he, quoting old sources, explains, how dark energy is an inherent property of space, and the added space of the expanding universe increases the energy content of the universe. This explains the accelerated expansion of the universe, that normally would experience a gradual slow down, if the energy content of the universe were constant. that dark energy is thought to be a possible feature of the pre-beginning condition too. or?

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There is science that prove God exists

by HopeEverLasting in

jw
friends

jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

there is another mode for how he exists.

now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

prologos

jws: "--Yet this marvel was somehow not created, but always existed.

not talking about any particular "god", but rather about the possibility, the conditions of operation for a creative agent:-- you can not pick up a book on cosmology that does not come to terms with the fact that there are conditions that preceded the beginning of our universe, and perhaps are still filling it with more [dark]energy. These conditions demand the existence of time, and the possibility of a creator at work. undetectable on our side of the arrow of time. or?

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Sharia Law in the US, it's coming folks.

by James Mixon in

my question, why would one immigrate to the west and refuse to adopt the western cultural?.

if you believe our way of life is so degenerated why bring your family to this place.. in a very close 5-4 vote, the city of irving ruled to back the texas state bill banning foreign.

law from the state.

prologos

V I: "There is a very wide range of Sharia law from country to country. There are different interpretations of it

Is it not these possible different applications of the "law" that divisions,-- Shiite/Sunni, and between local leaders, power maniacs , create the gradient for these terrible wars that drive people out? and then these divisions, conflicts are carried into the "host" countries, because the invader do not want to integrate, give up their home identity. picture the 1/3 US population of german background, often in key positions in various fields, not having thoroughly integrated, and siding with the enemy? or fighting their Prussian vs Austrian wars? of course "christians" had their divisions too, think 30 year war[s], but have they been exported to the extent we see in Europe, and the US ? "-it's coming folks" ? PS: immigrants integrate, invaders stubbornly refuse to, but impose their inertia on others. How many languages will we need on milk cartons, or as a "civil" service requirement?