Posts by prologos

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Heavenly v. Earthly Class

by Cold Steel in

reading another topic here on the anointed class of believers, i was wondering if anyone could point me towards a good article that might explain this more at length?

from what i've been able to ascertain, gaining the heavenly class status has sizable benefits over being an earthly class peon, right?

further, the john-class (anointed) at one time was considered part and parcel of the faithful and discreet slave (now reserved for the governing body-class).

prologos

CS: "--What do the heavenly John-class people do that the angels can't do? Do they rule those on Earth?

for one thing, supposedly being immortal they can combat Satan and the Demons. That why wt now wants the "anointed" to die, be raptured early in the Great Tribulation, well before Armageddon,*** so they can deal with the mere mortal angels. and don't forget apostates. *** if they die before Armageddon, they cant be the generation that Jesus talked about, because he said they would not pass aw ay, flesh of the chosen ones, or the anointed to be saved.

CS: "--Finally, is there any penalty for partaking of the emblems wrongly, or mistakenly? there should not be, for the wine, symbol of the New Covenant is for forgiveness of sins, but if you partake unworthily, being drunk (with power), who knows, the talking snake with the fork will get you.

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Reason why you didn't have the Heavenly hope, Anointed..

by James Mixon in

when i found out what was in store for those with the heavenly hope, no thank you.

i love you jehovah.

but i also love the fruits here on earth.

prologos

JM: "prologs:So you partook privately when you were a JW??

yes, like so uncounted many. because partaking had only in wt writer's opinion exclusivity for the 144k. Jesus served the emblems to the OS. all 12 of them. It is presumptuous to declare yourself to have the assured destiny to rule the universe as an immortal being. The emblems were supposed to confer everlasting life, undo the snake talk tally, and the "anointed" like Jesus are supposed to sacrifice that earthly right. so, now, with the snake talk in serious question, now what?

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The glaring inequity between the 144,000 & the Great Crowd

by deegee in

there is a glaring inequity between the 144,000 & the great crowd (gc):.

the gc will experience:.

1. the great tribulation - a gruelling/horrifying time which has never occurred before.. 2. armageddon.. 3. a thousand years of “loving” molding and refinement.. 4. a second armageddon at the end of the thousand years.. the 144,000 will experience none of these things.. isn't it strange that the gc has to prove themself so much but the 144,000 don't???!!!

prologos

deegee: "There is a glaring inequity between the 144,000 & the Great Crowd (GC):
The GC will experience:
1. The Great Tribulation - a gruelling/horrifying time which has never occurred before.
2. Armageddon. -- but the 1444 000 wont.

think about that, in another way: Jesus said that the anointed generation "will not pass away until " The GT and Armageddon are all complete. now, above, you say the anointed will miss out on the fireworks? May be you and the WT ( you quoted) are wrong, may be Jesus is wrong, may be the Bible is wrong? which is it,? or even all three?

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Reason why you didn't have the Heavenly hope, Anointed..

by James Mixon in

when i found out what was in store for those with the heavenly hope, no thank you.

i love you jehovah.

but i also love the fruits here on earth.

prologos

I just never thought there would be any personal choice. Partook privately, leave the choosing up to those that give such choices.

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"If the Earth were just a little bit further from or closer to the Sun, we would all freeze or burn"

by Island Man in

i'm sure we've all heard this argument by theists employing the fine-tuning argument.

are you aware, however, of exactly how much this "little bit" really is?

theists would have us think that the slightest change in the distance would have drastic implications for survivability.

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CD: "The biggest differences between our sister planets is atmosphere. One has too much and the other too little. Though in a few hundred million years Venus volcanic activity may calm down enough for the planet to support life--

and then there is the long Venus days: I day is 116 days--, not 24 hours, and then the sun rises in the west, goes down in the east, really hot at midday. no relief, but the inventive evolution process could find a niche for life with that long cycle too.

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"If the Earth were just a little bit further from or closer to the Sun, we would all freeze or burn"

by Island Man in

i'm sure we've all heard this argument by theists employing the fine-tuning argument.

are you aware, however, of exactly how much this "little bit" really is?

theists would have us think that the slightest change in the distance would have drastic implications for survivability.

prologos

Te: "Maybe just maybe the earth IS the centre of the universe

It is, and so is every other planet and sun in this universe that came squeezed through the big bang birth canal.

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My Day Is Over

by compound complex in

jw
friends

my day's long and arduous journey winds down.infinite night gracefully descends and takes me into herwelcomed embrace.. i have no reason to fear the inevitable,that transition into a higher andmore glorious state.

than allowed me upon thisbeautiful but angst-filledhabitation.. i rejoice in what has beenprepared from early on.i await the call .

.

prologos

V: when he or she had reached the "acceptance" stage?

We hope that coco is not at that point, with the possible painful and short future ahead, but there is something special coming to terms with old age, doing a task, and asking, would it be worthwhile if it would be the last time I did it? and watching sunsets in the ocean, and seeing the last point of light fade out, the earth turning east. Realizing your life will go out like that., but beauty for others left to watch.

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"If the Earth were just a little bit further from or closer to the Sun, we would all freeze or burn"

by Island Man in

i'm sure we've all heard this argument by theists employing the fine-tuning argument.

are you aware, however, of exactly how much this "little bit" really is?

theists would have us think that the slightest change in the distance would have drastic implications for survivability.

prologos

Liquid water planets can be produced in many ways, one would be to have a planet closer to a cooler, smaller, slower hydrogen fusing star. that would be even a finer tuning for wt purposes, "everlasting " life would be longer than just another measly 4 billion years. and, are we not lucky, we on the northern hemisphere, as Island Man pointed out ,-- that the sun is closer in January than July. Many factors would go to live in a Goldilocks zone, not as rare as we might think.

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My Day Is Over

by compound complex in

jw
friends

my day's long and arduous journey winds down.infinite night gracefully descends and takes me into herwelcomed embrace.. i have no reason to fear the inevitable,that transition into a higher andmore glorious state.

than allowed me upon thisbeautiful but angst-filledhabitation.. i rejoice in what has beenprepared from early on.i await the call .

.

prologos

Infinite night gracefully descends and takes me into her

enjoy the sunset.

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Did the flood happen?

by BlackWolf in

so we were talking about noah for our family worship tonight and it ended with a little debate between me and my parents about how the flood was possible.

you know, where did the water come from, how did all the animals fit, etc.

of course it led nowhere and my parents came up with some strange theories like that there was "an expanse of water in the sky" and that's where all the water came from.

prologos

If the ark was above the tops of mountains then they were above Everest. And you'd need warm clothes as it is so cold and an air tank to breathe. How did Noah, likely dressed for a middle eastern climate and his family and the animals survive in those conditions? How come their water didn't freeze?
The Noah story is nonsense, but this argument is more nonsense. Water rising above Everest would have lifted the atmosphere, barely thinning it. If anything, the fall of the alleged upper water would have generated a lot of heat. think re-entry.