Posts by prologos

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Watchtower's "New Light" re Babylonish Captivity, November 2016 WT

by Room 215 in

has anyone noticed the wt's most recent shell-game revisionism in the november study tractazine, relating to the shifting of its "babylonish captivity" doctrine, from a 3 1/2-year period around the ww 1 years, to a period now spanning about 16 centuries, or from the 4th century (constantine's legal recognition of christianity) to 1919?.

prologos

perhaps the wt thinking is: we have to justify the no Governing Body, no F&DS, no "true christians" to speak of for nearly 2 millennia? How can you have rule in jerusalem if you are in exile (spiritually speaking) so:, see:--it all had to wait, restored kingdom, restored governing Body, new Faithful & d-slave, all now, 1914-1919

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Is there Scriptural Evidence to a Resurrection during the 1,000 year Reign?

by Listener in

this question was addressed on the jw advisor blog (a defending watchtower website), july 24,2016 .

the answer is interesting because it is more in accord with what the bible fortells but it is not in accord with what the watchtower is currently teaching and has been for decades.

it has been suggested on this forum that the site has been sanctioned by the watchtower or written by writers at hq.this is the current view of the watchtower and is under 'bible teachings' on jw org.

prologos

Wt believers, and detractors just have to worry about the fleshly resurrection, pity the catholics, they believe that too, but in addition in the immortality of the soul, and it's stages. best to have left Catholicism first, wt second.

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How to argue with a JW who says the org never said the end in 75

by dogon in

i have argued with several jws who are now being trained to deny the org ever said the end in 75, what is your approach?.

prologos

Fis: "Anyone at that time reading the literature and listening to the discourses could only conclude that the FDS believed 1975 was the "finish line."

The reason for the stunned silence of the wt leadership to the surge in 1975, was that for the first time they actually saw the hand of god in action Vox populi, vox dei.

Fin: "Fear and anxiety was rampant to say the least

even worldly magnates, that respected the sincere witnesses, had the fear of 1975 in them. it was the time to be a long time special pioneer, basking in security.

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Millionaire Elder JW umm...wtf?!

by Alostpuppydog in

so i know one should remove his own stick from his own eye before ones self judges another, but i noticed something.

it seems that the wealthy witnesses are the elders, the circuit overseers, the governing body... are they really different from any other 'worldly' religions or even organizations?

i mean look at the jewels the friggen pope wears.

prologos

Elders , MS' are supposed be "not lovers of money" , so, the many millionaires among them must be really miserable, stuck with all that hateful loot they schemed and worked so hard for, worse, no relief in sight.

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How to argue with a JW who says the org never said the end in 75

by dogon in

i have argued with several jws who are now being trained to deny the org ever said the end in 75, what is your approach?.

prologos

let us assume that wt really was not behind the 1975 thing, {that they published in the book] then

It would have been their christian duty, as the appointed F&DS, to stop the brothers from selling their houses, from leaving their businesses, and after a warning to disfellowshipping them for apostasy. or?

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The moon

by zeb in

jw
friends

yes take a look at the moon after 1930h 14th nov. it is the closest the moon is to earth in many years.

wont be this close for many years more.. use any telescope or binoculars.. wowee..

prologos

after 930 am August 21, 2017 the moon will be as large as the sun, and covering it. anybody here living along the path, Oregon to South Carolina planning to open their door, land for wt weary viewers?

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Election Post-Mortem

by Simon in

i'm sure many people, republicans included, are shocked at the results of the 2016 presidential election.

really, wtf!.

the polls were wrong and although it's tempting to blame voter suppression and fbi interference, that would just avoid looking at the real issues for the loss.

prologos

He was in the eyes of many voters a law and order candidate, Among his voters were perhaps more of law and order persons. May be with age he will even learn to bring law and order into his male hormones.

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New Religion where to look?

by Alostpuppydog in

has anyone found any religion that makes more sense than the watchtower organization?

obviously catholics make even less sense than them so don't say that.... the reason i ask is because i still believe the bible is the word of god, but just that the jw's have twisted it for their own benefit, as most religions seem to do....

prologos

Alpd, since you still believe in the bible, start at the beginning: did god asked for a religion? no, Kain and Abel started two. so, it is an unwarranted human invention. Then start checking out what really happened, Gen 1:1.-- was the Earth really made in the beginning? or 10 000 000 000 years later ? Such glaring error indicates bad book keeping, if not total ignorance of science. and the bible is just a book. so: make sure of all things, hang on to what is fine.

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Why blame the Watchtower?

by deegee in

if god has a relationship with every christian and every christian is praying to him then wouldn't he tell every christian the same thing so that christians would agree on matters of doctrine and practice?.

it is certainly puzzling why sincere and devout people equally seek god's will and pray to him yet they all come up with different answers so that there are approximately 40,000 different christian denominations (center for the study of global christianity (csgc) at gordon-conwell theological seminary).. before his death, jesus called for agreement among his followers rather than division (john 17:20-21).

he declared that he would send the holy spirit to guide persons into all the truth (john 14:16 - 17, 26, john 15:26, john 16:7,13 - 15).. so shouldn't anyone who has a relationship with jesus, reads the bible, and listens to the holy spirit come to the same conclusions as others who are doing the same thing?.

prologos

blame wt for what precisely? They are not inspired, will err, are in a constant state of error, awaiting new en-light-enment. no god or christ is talking to them, obviously, so: why not blame yourself?

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Is there Scriptural Evidence to a Resurrection during the 1,000 year Reign?

by Listener in

this question was addressed on the jw advisor blog (a defending watchtower website), july 24,2016 .

the answer is interesting because it is more in accord with what the bible fortells but it is not in accord with what the watchtower is currently teaching and has been for decades.

it has been suggested on this forum that the site has been sanctioned by the watchtower or written by writers at hq.this is the current view of the watchtower and is under 'bible teachings' on jw org.

prologos

in wt dogma, the "coming to life" refers to the earthly class' receiving perfect life after a full 1000 years of ransom treatment. To this end wt writers have in their publications often used the phrasing : "at the end of the thousand years" rather than the correct "after the thousand years have ended--" wt knows the problem, and tries to hide , obscure it.

The real issue is of course not the commas in the book of revelation, but the speech capabilities of the snakes in the beginning.

There is no evidence of any resurrection, past, present or future. show it.