notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
The Great crowd comes out of the Great Tribulation, according to wt, it has not started yet, so there is no Great Crowd now,
re future: We are traveling through time into the future, Our future does not exist yet, yet the creator, eternal, has been in the future since an eternity. He does not want to predict the wt future, because the past is bad enough. Chapter 5 Kingdom Rules. 1879 -1935. what a mess.
any elder has never asked me that question so far but i want to be prepared to answer that question if any of them ask me that question in the future.
i hope that they will never ask me that question.
any suggestions on how to answer that question would be very much appreciated.
Of course he is. But since he has turned all responsibilities over to the governing body, The organisation is working as it is. for details see this weeks study in the Kingdom Rules book. !876 to 1935. Chapter 5 I think.
aren't there christian denominations who do not make false end of the world predictions but who nevertheless believe that the world will eventually end and paradise (whether in heaven or on earth) will come?.
it seems the watchtower was just jumping the gun when they made false end of the world predictions but they are nevertheless the right: the world will eventually end and paradise will come..
James Mixon8 hours ago: "--They came up with earth paradise before man realize the earth will nor remain forever
Who are they? wt writers, bible writers? Clearly they had no clue of reality. that is why their predictions (or not) can never be right, but enjoy the goodness of the good ones.
jws like to think they have found the one true religion.
but like so many other religious people, it's usually the religion they were born into, the only religion they know because it's the first one they found or, at the most, one of two or three (typically the second one after they left their first / born-in faith).. the trouble is, there simply isn't enough time to explore and investigate each and everyone of the many thousands of belief systems, religions and sects around the world.. think of it this way: which is the best neighbourhood to live in where you would be most happy and most successful?
not just in the city or even the country you are in, but the entire world.. how would you ever know?
Impossible, because the creator (unless the universe created itself) did not mandate to be worshipped. Even in the flawed bible account, religion was a human invention, sacrifice was not asked by the spirit "walking in the breezy afternoon in the garden". Abel's fatty carrion burns better than Cain's vegetables, it was was not a sign from heaven, pointing to the true religion, but physics, chemistry, used again in Treblinka. Shoa. Very sorry to use that analogy, with tears. All this burning in religiosity, faith based.
jws like to think they have found the one true religion.
but like so many other religious people, it's usually the religion they were born into, the only religion they know because it's the first one they found or, at the most, one of two or three (typically the second one after they left their first / born-in faith).. the trouble is, there simply isn't enough time to explore and investigate each and everyone of the many thousands of belief systems, religions and sects around the world.. think of it this way: which is the best neighbourhood to live in where you would be most happy and most successful?
not just in the city or even the country you are in, but the entire world.. how would you ever know?
Stillin: "--Finding the perfect neighborhood to live in is made much easier by consulting a real estate agent'
How about the truth? we found the perfect neighbourhood, walk to school, live on a park, overlooking the ocean, snowcapped mountains in the distance, palm trees in the yard, at the right time, as a bargain, -- and ended up in the most awful prejudiced congregation, even some neighbours possibly, so besides real estate, if you want find disciples of the elusive "Christ" check the local's prejudices, before you prove, at your cost, that this is not the true religion/region you are moving into.
doctrines projected by wt writers can be compared to the slides in the old carousel slide shows, the jw audience was kept in the dark, but the next images' bright filtered new light had their rapt attention.
often these doctrine images came around again but modified, often totally changed, turned upside down.
think superior authorities, resurrection ----, .
To repeat: The wt god is no Einstein, and
the last Generation is not the WT anointed. so:
wt ideas sliding fast.
try to Refute this please
aren't there christian denominations who do not make false end of the world predictions but who nevertheless believe that the world will eventually end and paradise (whether in heaven or on earth) will come?.
it seems the watchtower was just jumping the gun when they made false end of the world predictions but they are nevertheless the right: the world will eventually end and paradise will come..
James Mixon: "They came up with earth paradise before man realize the earth will nor remain forever.
Yeah, since the wt god inspired the bible and he spirit directed: " The Earth shall remain forever" , and he had to learn that from Einstein : e=mc^2,
The wt god is no Einstein to have not proofread that eternal planet passage.
The wt god is no Einstein,
aren't there christian denominations who do not make false end of the world predictions but who nevertheless believe that the world will eventually end and paradise (whether in heaven or on earth) will come?.
it seems the watchtower was just jumping the gun when they made false end of the world predictions but they are nevertheless the right: the world will eventually end and paradise will come..
paradise is supposed to be inhabited by almost immortal humans, just a notch lower, with everlasting life. The Sun & the Earth will not least another 5 billion years, just an eternity short of eternity. So: build an interstellar ark to move on, and dont forget to take the petting pandas.
the jw org keeps its servants busier than ever these days so that their minds are occupied 24/7.
they ensure that there is no time for anything "worldly" to distract them.. in last week's watchtower article on spiritual health they are putting pressure on the congregation to learn other languages on top of everything else they do.
they allude to the fact that their spiritual health will suffer if they cannot understand the talks and publications in other languages.
Kids will learn another language almost by osmosis, if in immersion outside the family, but even if you are a polyglot , your own kids might resist learning from you, a language other than the one the family uses day to day. Wt asked the Special pioneers, at one time to speak the language of their assignment at home, what a disaster, how do you let your hair down in another tongue?
taking your kids, wife to a foreign language congregation is a good idea, Chinese preferred, they will not get a thing out of the meetings for a long time, and that is a good thing.
doctrines projected by wt writers can be compared to the slides in the old carousel slide shows, the jw audience was kept in the dark, but the next images' bright filtered new light had their rapt attention.
often these doctrine images came around again but modified, often totally changed, turned upside down.
think superior authorities, resurrection ----, .
James Jack2 days ago: prologos
Your explanation is just as confusing as the Over Lapping Generation Doctrine!
ok to make it simple, let's quote Joseph*:
The anointed groups will come and go, but the patient people will remain.
*Joseph Stalin : "The Hitlers will come and go, but the german people will remain.
