NO. At least the ones that were disfellowshipped for apostasy, and were later vindicated by NEW LIGHT will die in peace. Knowing they did their part, did the right thing.---
Die in peace: Because there are still as many overlapping generations ahead as there are overlapping scales on fishes. Ecclesiastes 1:4.
take care!
todays scientists can and do insert their trademark into dna.. why couldn't jehovah anticipate scientists learning this technique and stumbling across a strand that says "human by yhwh"?.
that would have answered a lot of questions.. he could have even included a model number human2.0.
Entirely Possible: On the "God signature" question: I turned to you because, after having read the books I still have these lingering, simple questions. You seem to have a knack to come up with clear definite answers, better questions. so:
The one question still that is still out there:
How long was there nothing before there was something?---
On movement through time: in a thought experiment:
If three DNA researchers (to tie in topic), one for each dimension , are sitting in a mobile laboratory and looking out they agree that together the 3 of them are moving, is the group moving through space? along its dimensions? they could see others move in different directions, different speeds?
As everybody now looks at their watches, ( observes the changing DNA), can they agree that they are moving? through time? everything everywhere in space is seen moving along in the same direction in time. ergo: space and its content appear to move, expand irreversably through time. no? but:
It appears, that was not always so. at the beginning of the cosmos, this movement through time started from zero . VARIED movement through time started. recall the "inflationary period" of the universe. slowing of the movement through time at high speeds, strong gravity. is this view correct? if not, how? why?
help me learn.
the only certainty I see is that as the new questions of cosmic acceleration (time squared), dark matter, dark energy are begging for solution, in the process we will have better questions still. even on the signature in DNA.
only on that, my mind is made up. thank you.
todays scientists can and do insert their trademark into dna.. why couldn't jehovah anticipate scientists learning this technique and stumbling across a strand that says "human by yhwh"?.
that would have answered a lot of questions.. he could have even included a model number human2.0.
Entirely possible: just to make time to see a sign in DNA: you asked: "what is Time indefinite?"
There was NOTHING befor the beginning of space, matter, energy, right?
How long was there nothing?
Was that nothing a vaccuum? as we understand it, seething with virtual particles ?
That seething requires time, even squared?
Can you think of space becoming entertwined with the pre-existing, indefinite time at the beginning of the material cosmos? why not?
Could you think of space and its content moving through, expanding through time? why not?
No god talked to the snake or the naked couple in that fiction garden near the 10 000 year old turkey temple, but there is a message somewhere surely and
our understanding of Time and space and matter/Energy gravity is getting better and better if we dont freeze our conclusions about them.
todays scientists can and do insert their trademark into dna.. why couldn't jehovah anticipate scientists learning this technique and stumbling across a strand that says "human by yhwh"?.
that would have answered a lot of questions.. he could have even included a model number human2.0.
May we just gave the wrong letters to the code.
think about the dub concept of living as a human being forever on this earth.
it sounds inviting at first blush, but if you think about eternity, what would you do to fill the endless time?.
eventually, you would learn everything, experience everything, understand everything, grow tired of everything.
Mr. Freeze, that is why it is good that our life span is limited.
Imagine having drivers on the road who see time go as fast as a 1000 year old. driving 125 times slower than me, the octogenarian.
The fast passing time for seniors is probably due to the decline in brain function.
Picture an old clock with 12 marks 5 minute-marks , that the hand rotates through in an hour. now have these marks fall of one by one because of old age. of the clock, or the equivalent of the brain/mind.
Now in an hour only 11, then 9, and less marks are re-marked or registered in the mind, you are still passing at a constant speed/rate/clip through time, but with deterioation, the perception of movement through time changes. But of course according to the story*,
we will not deterioate with time, so the movement -through -time perception will be constant in the NW, no old ghisers holding up traffic.
* the story based on the naked, spare-rib-cloned lady talking to the speech-empowered snake.
The earth, the sun, the universe as it is will not last forever.
personally i hate it when you come face to face with someone disfellowshiped and you can't do a simple acknowledgement or greeting.
they are obviously making an effort to be there to be reinstated.
as i recall back in the 1970's they did allow this but what is always the case some took advantage of this provision and in engaged in full blown conversations.
I have it both ways (The other side of disfellowxhipping) we have a baby, so I get to sit in the back with the disfellowshipped ones already. BTW
the elders must think that parents and babies are immunized against that BAAAD influence created by proximity
when i was baptised it was in the kingdom hall pool; i was only a teenager.
i was baptised by an old elder from a nearby congregation, but next to the pool stood the baptism fascist .
people in the congregation said my baptism was not valid because of my little toe.
if you want to be technical about it, if you walked into the pool, your toes got wet, a boundary layer of water, that water cover was still there when the toe protruded from the splashy water surface. You were totally covered in water until the towel finished its job-- later.
Does the water-surface you are under during dipping HAVE to be totally calm and level? that the watersurface you are under is shaped like a sock, glove, is it not still a water surface? how wavy can the water be? another question:
could you immerse a patient inside an iron lung under water and call it baptism, when he/she did not get wet?
frankly, if only your little toe is left of your life, you are dead. certainly braindead.
take care.
PS: I flew once in wintertime from the north to Orlando FL.-- There was still liquid de-icing fluid in the joints of the rear windows after we landed.
has anyone noticed the recent deterioration in the quality of wt's contents lately?..
the spiritual food seems to be getting more and more shitty these days.
i have given a thought to what could really be going wrong, and if it is likely that some on the wiriting committee is consciously dishing out those nonsense to facilitate more poeple seeing ttat.
It appears they have nothing more significant to say that will stand up under scrutiny. we can imagine what it is like at WRITING as they are trying to put into text the different version of the 1919 to GT tenure of the Faithful &DS, and see which one would make any sense and answer all the questions that could represent reality, or at least touch on WT doctrine as explained. All articles now seem to have only onegrand theme: Obey or else. be blessed ---as we define it for you. It will repel those that are made in god's image, or have ,in their minds, made a god that has higher IQ than 50. and attract the to JWn and the like.
thank you beeing here for us.
she is older, he is younger.
what's the largest spread in years that you have heard about that is.
1. fun.
was blind: The pills that would have cured David's ills: I was talking about the David and Abishag the Shunammite situation, his last female companion, reputed to be the most attractive young landy in the land, who slept with him, but did not succeed to RAISE offspring for the aging king.
was blind: as you know men are not blind, and good visuals leave their mark, and marksmen. see Math: 5:28. ladies well know that, and hence their greater preocupation with looks, trending to reduce age rather than stress maturity.
I believe to have read that good sexual manners into old age extend the life expectancy rather than reduce it? May be that is why the men of old (and their wifes) lived so long. if sex kills you: what a way to go!!!
Talking of age differences in the symbolic, bible fable realm: think of The ETERNAL God and his "wife" the "Jerusalem Above", infinitely younger,-- or The Christ, older at least by 15 billion years (if you are a non-Trinitarian) than his bride to be the "NEW Jerusalem" (the 144 ks) now engaged and to be married not later than 2 overlapping generations from 1914!!
No wonder the diverging-age couples like the example above are blessed.
thank you for the encouragement.
she is older, he is younger.
what's the largest spread in years that you have heard about that is.
1. fun.
A bethelite made a general comment once that an older man with a younger wife would work better than the other way around, because the energy level of the younger male, riding his dirt-bike, working at two jobs-, partying all night, would conflict with the stay at home desires of granny., whereas
The experienced and settled and financially stable older husband (translated bound to the house) old english), allow the younger wife to flourish. that said
I know of a couple over 20 years happily married, where the husband is pushing the mid EIGHTIES, his wife half his age, and they just celebrated their youngest childs Ist BIRTHDAY. so it seems to work sometimes.
In praise of older women notwithstanding,
older men seem to need more stimulation, and younger ladies seem to do that. think of King Davids last years, it does not always work.
Pharmaceuticals were not the same then what they are now.
dont give up.
