continued from part 1 (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5097191899136000/john-1-1-colossians-1-16-all-other-things):.
the nw translation and some of its unique renderings, like john 1.1- "a god," and colossians 1.16 - "all other things," have been consistently at the top of the most debated topics here in this forum and elsewhere from the beginning.
the anger felt by detractors of the nwt rendering of john 1.1 (a god) has diminished considerably if compared to the furious debates surrounding the verse that raged on during the 1950 thru 1970s.
"-Jesus now holds a position so great in the Universe, that Paul had to mention that it was through Jesus that God made everything.-"
That " in" captured my attention, the creator would not be in, but be external, prior to the universe, whether it is relevant, is another matter.
an official system of principles or tenets concerning faith, morals, behavior, etc., as of a church.
for instance, a fundamental dogma of christianity is the resurrection, but among sects of christianity, dogmas about other details vary.
nonetheless, they are insisted upon in their basic unavoidable, unchanging form - otherwise there would be no basis for the particular sect's belief other than habit.
wt salesmen selling snake oil* dogma, improving, improvising formulae, snakema.
oil* like in anointed, overlapping.
an official system of principles or tenets concerning faith, morals, behavior, etc., as of a church.
for instance, a fundamental dogma of christianity is the resurrection, but among sects of christianity, dogmas about other details vary.
nonetheless, they are insisted upon in their basic unavoidable, unchanging form - otherwise there would be no basis for the particular sect's belief other than habit.
Now here' another. The sacred scriptures were collected and canonized in an Era of Apostasy and in babylonish captivity staining everything.
snakema, not dogma, because without the talking snake story , there would be no ma Eve, , mother of all the dying.
when was the last time anyone recalls hearing the word 'remnant', in meetings or conversation?
is it something still discussed?
[i haven't attended in 20 years, so no idea].
i've found it interesting that- imho- most of the politically vocal ex-jw's at this website seem to lean left.
i'm personally pretty centered- right on some issues, left on others, but overall have a pretty cynical view of all political/religious leaders.
i find it somewhat ironic that people who leave such a dogmatic group like the witnesses become so politically dogmatic.
when was the last time anyone recalls hearing the word 'remnant', in meetings or conversation?
is it something still discussed?
[i haven't attended in 20 years, so no idea].
With increasing partaker numbers, the remnant, leftover, will become the majority, perhaps before the planned overlapping "gathering to heaven" aka rapture in 2075 *.
* based on the life of G. Gangas, GB member that died in 19196.
how does this happen?http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/aviation/malaysia-aviation-airport-abandoned-aircraft/
had a conversation with my jw mother the other day.
she has been baptized for over 50 years.
i've been out for 30 years, but because both my mother and mother-in-law are jw's i keep up with all things jw.
i was working one day, had a couple of male customers to serve when this lady walks in & offers me a track on her religion, my answer without thinking " i already know what the bible say's, i'm one of jw's".
she just threw me a dirty look & the two guy's just looked down & said nothing.
i just carried on, served them as nothing had happened.
look at the governing body.
none of them believe now what the wts believed back when they were born and later baptized.. so why aren't they disfellowshipped for apostasy?.
simple - because the true beliefs are always taken to mean whatever they currently consider them to be.. think about it - they can never be apostates because whatever they decide to believe becomes "the truth" and anyone not believing it is then guilty of apostasy, even if they believe things the wts has taught them all their lives.. if you do believe in the bible and jesus story, do you think this is what he intended?
