Posts by prologos

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John-1-1-Colossians-1-16-all-other-things - Part 2

by Wonderment in

continued from part 1 (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5097191899136000/john-1-1-colossians-1-16-all-other-things):.

the nw translation and some of its unique renderings, like john 1.1- "a god," and colossians 1.16 - "all other things," have been consistently at the top of the most debated topics here in this forum and elsewhere from the beginning.

the anger felt by detractors of the nwt rendering of john 1.1 (a god) has diminished considerably if compared to the furious debates surrounding the verse that raged on during the 1950 thru 1970s.

prologos

jw-verite: "--Concerning the "first born of all creation", the greek word "arche" does not necessarily imply a creation but is related to the position of superiority or "leadership" of Jesus over the creation.

Verse 18 tends to confirm this by saying : "And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy." (NIV)--"

The context shows that "jesus" is considered "among", or part of the creation. veritablement. as if that mattered.

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Can somebody explain the songs and songbook obsession?

by careful in

i've been out a while and have only put in a rare appearance at a memorial or brief visit at a convention/assembly to keep people off my back, so i haven't kept up on the songbook.

but one thing i've noticed that the org.

has been doing that they never did when i was in is all these "supplemental songs" that keep appearing.

prologos

ToesUp could be right; it is one GB member acting out his fantasies to be a world class composer/arranger, with the assistance of more talented music GB helper specialists. Some of these new compositions are really ugly, whereas a few of the ones still on paper are melodious and hummable. Sad part is, that these works are a reflection of the disturbing personalities behind them.

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Untrusted

by Esmeralda001 in

greetings,it seems that jw immediately assume that all "wordly" people (as they like to call it) are immoral and unworthy of their trust.

i sort of understand how it can be dangerous for a christian to have association with someone who doesn't share their values, but don't you think that some members take the conceal lied in corinthians 15:33 to the extreme?

what about romans 2:14?

prologos

that the very petit woman that I am could possibly Petite woman are in high demand (expect pms) in this age of hormone enhanced nutrition, so, take it as a compliment, She probably trusts you but not the 26 year old. Remember, being alone in a house a deux, even mobile can be a disfellowshipping offense.

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Noah's ark

by dothemath in

for those that believe in the flood story as genesis says, then they also are forced to accept a huge amount of evolution, way faster than any evolutionist would propose.. from a basic selection of "kinds", to the several millions of land species there are now, and in only about 4000 years.. not to mention the many types of birds that made it to remote islands, and then somehow lost their ability to fly... not even possessing wings( ex- dodo bird, moa).

scientists agree this was a process that took eons of time.. i was thinking of this because we just had a public talk on noah.

i sure couldn't make a fool of myself on that subject, going on how "factual" it all is..

prologos

Basically endorsing the idea of mutations......they should just give up and use some "discernment" and "wisdom".

Why does wt not give up?, the real flood idea is central to their beliefs. Gd intervenes, and will again at Armageddon, like the days of Noah, world reserved for fire, scary. If Genesis is not inspired, then no talking snake, no sin, no contributing to the wt. puff!

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Elders who dislike other congregation elders

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

my congregation had four elders who had different personalities.you would see a little friction among themselves.. #1 self-righteous and the 800 pound gorilla.he would push everyone around in the congregation and even some fellow elders.. # 2 elder was around 80 years old and looked like he stuck around a little too long.it looked like he was around because he never decided to give up the position.his duty became very light as he aged.. # 3 elder was in his early 30's and newly elected.he made no waves and whatever was asked of him in the congregation he would do.easy to push around like a little puppy dog.. #4 elder (who everyone liked ) was easy to get along with and had a family who everyone loved.

he didn't like elder # 1. they had a power struggle amongst each other which everyone observed while the meetings were in session.. here are 2 small verbal fights that i observed while the congregation meetings were in session:.

while elder # 1 was giving a talk ( heavy rain storms are brewing outside with loud thunder and lightning ) the microphones and lights are knocked out.we lost all power and could barely see.

prologos

Honest - How does that happen? LOL.

Worldwide.

It started with the apostles, later the first GB, fighting who is the greatest, getting the family involved lobbying the king himself. Really evolution in action, proved in animal studies. animals.

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Dear Syrian Refugees

by Simon in

welcome to canada from one immigrant to another !.

calgary is welcoming it's first refugees from syria and iraq so tomorrow i'm going to take all the winter clothing that we have and donate it to a women / children's charity.

it's not much (well, actually, it's a huge pile ... everything from when we first moved over!

prologos

without them getting jobs., particularly jobs that Canadians are not qualified for, or are unwilling to accept, doctors in unprofitable areas, starting businesses related to their unique, middle east skills. their energy.

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JW stand on Philosophy is inexcusable!

by Pinku in

paul knew that torah with all its rituals and sacrifices did not originate with god (jeremiah 7:22; 8:8), hence he warned christians to guard against deceptive philosophy that would take them back to torah.

(colossians 2:8 compare 2:11, 16, 17) in view of the over-all view of the bible, there is no excuse to use the word philosophy with any negative connotation.

jws built their stand on philosophy based on this wrong (negative) use of the word philosophy found in colossians 2:8.. the greek word philosophi a means love of wisdom.

prologos

love of wisdom, wt fears it. They do not the ones they control to become wise to the situation they are in.

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The Military Failure of the United States of America. Why?

by fulltimestudent in

the usa is undoubtedly the strongest military power in the world, and has often been willing to use that power against other nations, some historians count 187 foreign wars in 200 years, and this youtube video lists the wars the us has fought in the twentieth century, most of which, (in the earliest part of the 20th c) it can be argued, were won by the usa.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q51nfakme-g. this is not an argument about the rightness or wrongness of any war.

the argument is why the mightiest ever military power, a political power that controls overwhelming destructive forces, a power that claims to stand on the side of its god, does not win wars?

have you thought about this question?

prologos

The USA has never had to slug it out with an equal opponent, and I hope they will never have to. In that case it would be a bloodbath for all.

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The scripture most taken out of context

by Coded Logic in

for whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that through patience and through comfort of the scriptures we might have hope.- romans 15:4. ever consider that paul wasn't referencing his own letters to the congregations?

and he certainly wasn't referring to the gospels which hadn't even been written yet.

anybody else ever notice this?.

prologos

he never claimed that his writings were of divine inspiration. He came close though, when he claimed his instructions to "All the congregations of the Holy Ones--- (1 Cor. 14:33) to be already divine, saying:"-- because they are the Lord's Commandments" verse 37. and

He must have forgotten, after all that training about 2 Chronicles 18:18 on, (next week's bible reading) , Where Jehovah, in a Job 1 - like setting, basically introduces lying on his behalf to all the cosmos, enough to " set things straight" seeing that this could not possibly of value.

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Should JWs perform immigration screening for jihadiis ?

by gone for good in

jehovah's witlesses worship and serve the same desert god as do all the worlds jihadists.

both these groups experience the same giddy delight contemplating the worldwide annihilation of infidels .

jihadists and jw's share the same wet dream of theocracy - the idea that public governance is best left to an invisible genocidal, misogynistic homophobic, sadistic, megalomaniacal bully...and his (male) earthly imitators.. jw's and jihadiis both covet their delusion of imagining themselves as the sole survivors of a global bloodbath - think of the stupendous irony there!.

prologos

Many jws would easily adapt to Isis rule; - instead of bowing to Brooklyn/Warwick, reprogram the theocratic GPS to mecca. or the local Imman instead of the Coordinator of TBOE or CO. (sooner or later the same person)