so... bro flodin puts poison onto the first loaf of bread and says that this pictures someone "sinning against the holy spirit".
he then puts the bread into the trash can stating that jehovah completely discards anyone "sinning against the holy spirit"... meaning they cannot ever be forgiven...he says that the pharisees "sinned against the holy spirit" because they denied indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit displayed by jesus... therefore jehovah would completely discard them... no way back for them.. fast forward a little... we have the bible character stephen...acts 6:8 says: now stephen, full of divine favor and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.so stephen was showing indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit.now we come to the bible character paul (saul)... he was a pharisee.paul would have seen stephen in action... witnessing the indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit first hand!yet paul not only waged war against all christians but he personally approved the killing (stoning) of stephen.according to the bread illustration paul should have been discarded by jehovah at this point for "sinning against the holy spirit"... he would have been put in the trash can... no way back at all...but what happened according to the bible?
jesus appeared to him on the road to damascus... he became one of the most zealous apostles in bible history with jehovah's full support!so what on earth is the bread illustration all about?
JWGB: " Paul should indeed have been discarded by Jah at this point for 'sinning against the Holy spirit'. yeah, for at the point of Stephen's stoning he must have heard of the miracles in Jerusalem, thousand of priests being baptized. and he started writing against the establishment he left, as some here. are we getting the message?
the question as to what believing in this entity called god entails is a fairly important question that needs to be answered first.
to me, the key difference between a universe in which god exists versus one where god doesn't lies in the idea of teleology.
in my view, a universe with god entails some sort of process towards an end, an end which can be characterized with words such as bliss and unity and others.
so said my pops one morning.
we were visiting my sister in eastern tennessee and the night before after everyone else went to bed pops was watching tv when all of a sudden and completely on it's own the tv changed to the tonight show, holy smokes!!
must be demons cause pops didn't change it!
these men who may look like waiters are not actually Bethel waiters (as if anyone CARED!!!) but are, actually, hold on for it... secretaries for GB helpers. Oh my! Thanks the lord!!!
wait!! Loesch of GB fame is actually a graduate waiter from Austria , that also produced a paperhanger with similar cosmic ambitions, so, titles, even when hidden matter, now, will that be a glass of water with your bread???
the outrage of injustice cries out for justice, vengeance, vindictiveness, retaliation, getting even -at any cost -even life.
compound complex, wouldn't the bread he uses be symbolically tainted--. thought along the same lines, but that one is right symbolism, -because is he not talking about imperfect people adding to their sinful burden? unleavened bread would picture A&E, "jesus". I find the throw away part very offensive I worked once a whole week to pay for one whole grain bread. In many lands where wt expects growth, discarded food would not be thrown out but fed to the animals, composted, still a valuable commodity. The leaven of the Pharisees = irresponsible teaching showing in public.
this question is explored in an asia times overview of the problem:.
in the name of family honor, india is dishonored.
the issue is dramatised in a new film, chauranga.. quote: kill a child for honor, but how heinous!.
to myself it means to seek knowledge and understanding of are selves and the world in which we live.. unfortunately history has shown whenever one tries to connect to god and of his knowledge through men who say they themselves are connected to god through spiritual wifi ie.
gb members of the jehovah's witnesses for example, one usually ends up finding a accumulation of only man's acquired knowledge.
over thousands of years of trying to connect to a god(s) for help and answers, mankind has eventually relinquished himself to seeking answers through scientific investigative acquired knowledge of the world in which we live in.
