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This thread is for proof that God exists

by juandefiero in

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friends

however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?

if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.

(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.

prologos

I am too disorganized to keep tab of the links , but recall reading (no videos for me anymore), that there is additional energy in the expanding space appearing that is driving the accelerating expansion of the universe. how could it be expanding if there is not more energy? The thought was expressed that this (dark?) additional energy is a property of the void, and to my thinking that word implies the same realm that existed before, therefore also still "outside" the universe. If these fluctuations that triggered the "freezing" of energy into matter happen only "inside" or "after" the start, happened only "in" our realm of moving through time, , how can they be the cause? there has to be a reach into time before we started moving through it !?

The picture I have from what I read is, that an expanding universe would incorporate more and more of the energy that is latent, that was there before the beginning, before the universe started expanding. We might be off topic though, because the discussion was about "god" and not a creator and creative processes. . The Universe looks so much like something the best minds of man and womankind would concoct and make --eventually--, that work is the best analogy we have to explain existence.

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This thread is for proof that God exists

by juandefiero in

jw
friends

however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?

if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.

(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.

prologos

Even discounting belief in a creator, just for the alleged effects of virtual particles popping in and out of existence, the theorists tentatively acknowledge that time exists prior to movement through it that carries us into the future.

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This thread is for proof that God exists

by juandefiero in

jw
friends

however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?

if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.

(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.

prologos

Fisherman; "--I also do not believe that time and empty space always existed before the universe--" you are right, our 3 space dimensions, empty or filled with matter, are not eternal, they started expanding , that is moving through time in our beginning aka the "big bang" However, if you consider the creator to be eternal, he must have existed in it, Time has to be the property of a creator in every sense of the word. only he is not moving through it as we do. even creation is moving through time at different speeds. Time does not flow , it is stationary, we flow through it, not even stopping for the now, one moment. We have momentum moving through time.

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This thread is for proof that God exists

by juandefiero in

jw
friends

however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?

if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.

(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.

prologos

Coded Logic: "Happens all the time. It's called the Casimir Effect."-- If this force inherent in the vacuum, the void would have been present in the pre-beginning realm, It would negate the idea of a self made Universe out of nothing, since the effect, the inward pressure on the plates, is an expression of energy, it can never be called nothing. perhaps there was never a time when there was nothing, and then the presence of a creator or the equivalent what we would have to call it, becomes a possibility. and: the small casimir effect is thought to be minute, compared to the energy that is really present, churning in the virtual vacuum.

"--the total sum energy of our universe is zero.--" wrong imho. just because the dynamic energy (movement) nearly balances the energy locked up in the form of matter (hence gravity), and the two balance, like in the Earth's orbit does not mean that there is zero energy in the system, au contraire, there are 2 not zero energies. 2 energies that are balanced, but add up to two, just like the weight and the merchandise on the other side of the balance scale. and:

then there is the excess energy that causes the accelerated expansion of the the universe. make it 3 not 0. so:

While the presence of energy. and by extension time is understood to be present in the void is no proof that a creator exist, it at least proves that conditions existed that made creative works possible, god? that is another question.

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PAROUSIA: The Watchtower's IRON BALLOON

by Terry in

the iron balloon: parousia.

“up, up and away in my beautiful.

.balloon,” is the lyric of a popular song from the 60’s.. it captures an emotional exhilaration lifting us from everyday life way up into the sky away from all our cares and woe.. .

prologos

WT iron balloon?, baloney, it's a lead (Pb) zeppelin. bigger and heavier. a flight only in fancy. It has mis-lead so many, from one misleading date to the next. as you so ably pointed out Terry.

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Canada zone visit March 2016

by Richard_I in

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canada's getting a zone visit in march 2016, but no mention of who's doing the visit.

praying it's anthony morris and we get our own tight pants talk.

prologos

@prologos - yes you are right, it was a gypsy, --you, richard 1 were right, he did not say gypsy, he said roma(n), the same thing, but politically correcter.

and interesting aside: bunn mentioned among the unappreciative those drawing government welfare. yeah, easy money is never truly appreciated, not earned.

Bunn used the "majestic plural" in his introduction: we rather than I

bunn called those that are "too reserved" reflecting attitudes of Satan's world (the anglos I guess)

he was wrong on gleaning: the Israelites were not to leave big swaths reserved for the gleaners, but be not finicky, on the edges, fine-combing.

On the "healing of the lepers" story, he got tangled in the Jesu phrase" God has healed you" trying to switch from Jesus to Jehovah to fight the trinitarian battles of Mehico in Canada, ha ,eh?

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Canada zone visit March 2016

by Richard_I in

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friends

canada's getting a zone visit in march 2016, but no mention of who's doing the visit.

praying it's anthony morris and we get our own tight pants talk.

prologos

3 ways to show appreciation for what somebody (but wtbts inc did not) do: 1) tithing, 2) giving the first-fruits, and the 3) widow's mite, namely, the last ., squeezed out even if you can't afford it, perhaps implying the inheritance. Only the wt accounts will be appreciating.

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Canada zone visit March 2016

by Richard_I in

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friends

canada's getting a zone visit in march 2016, but no mention of who's doing the visit.

praying it's anthony morris and we get our own tight pants talk.

prologos

Richard I: "--a refugee from turkey came to canada and was lying to get his permanent residency, but was given it in record time when he openly told the judge he fled Turkey because he killed people/lead a life of crime but because he's studying the bible with JW's blah blah blah he's leading a better life, and for some reason the Judge appreciated his honesty and immediately allowed him to obtain permanent residency. that was an eye roll from me. no, The way I heard it it was a gypsy from Hungary, and most are sent back, but he could stay because he was different now,-- honest. May be the others, in his community will take notice and before being send back will convert to watchtower too?

Rodney Jung. The same with the main speaker, saying," the ones that had to leave because of change "' what change? where is the urgency now that the end is so near?

the guy talked so much it felt like rambling sometimes , yeah, and that after Shewfeld requested that he be slower, (with fewer words) for the other brass, probably in Montreal to be able to translate. good luck with that barrage from bunn. well if you translated one word, appreciate, you translated 50% of the talk. bunn? no fun!

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Another Galling WT Study

by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

january 2016 watchtower (study edition).

be determined to “let your brotherly love continue”!.

this article was easy to read.

prologos

Joe Grundy. "-- hard work that our elders do for us, -"-? actually the work they do for the WTBtS. Inc. and it's affiliates.

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JW Rumspringa

by SonoftheTrinity in

are jehovah's witnesses on their way to practicing amish style rumspringa?

basically pushing young people out into the world and seeing who comes back with their faith intact.

after so many generations of discouraging education, it seems like an easy way to ensure that there are some educated born-ins.

prologos

no, any deviation from wt moral code, even if you get married, and-- it would not be in the hall. and keeping young men down, with the new "christian living" meetings methods, there will no more public speakers trained. New stars, with better education are a threat to the old guard, and will be held down, made to slave for decades.

rumspringa? the best jump will be to get right out.