There appears to be a parallel, it seems to me, between the old-fashioned concepts of "god(s)" and these discussion about "god" the supreme, his absence, or proof of. It always seems to end up in petty bickering about personalities. The bickering of the norges, Jah versus Satan...., so, are you gods too, for god' sake? or should this at least in part be about beginnings, have some sake and relax
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This thread is for proof that God exists
by juandefiero inhowever, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
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DO BIRDS-OF-A-FEATHER really "Flock together"?
by Terry inmy grandfather insisted "birds of a feather flock together" and thought it was some kind of genius rule-of-thumb for understanding life.then i began noticing at school, at parties, in neighborhoods, people who looked the same hung out together and excluded others.then, i became a jw.
they only hang out with jw's.
the world was further divided into sheep and goats.
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birds flock at times, for protection, look at the beautiful murmurations of starlings, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1Q-EbX6d so,starlings the darlings, startling the hawks too. but when pairing up in their breeding grounds they become territorial. The right people seem to flock & gather here. -
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A-liive "--my little child heart and Inner life magnified then and magnifies now when I stretch out to this kind of contemplation. Resounding space. All of us should never totally lose that childlike quality. -
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by juandefiero inhowever, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
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Fisherman: "Given the BIble, it records miracles and God's control and manipulation of all of the universe and laws; hence God transcends space and time and reality exerting his influence over everything that is real.
There is no connection between the bible stories and reality, except that they are fictional stories that were made up and repeated. Any religious experiences based on the bible miracles, even the music it inspired, are artifacts of the human brain/ mind. There is no evidence that, as Newton opined, that :god: had to intervene, tamper with the laws, to make it happen, last. added: The one exception I would expect would be, if we would be unsuccessful in replicating the starting of life.
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This thread is for proof that God exists
by juandefiero inhowever, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
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Fisherman: And that makes sense because science would be pointless and reality would be a lie if we could not have faith in the world around us, so our science would be a shared experience we would have with a creator. The true "eureka" moments might be as close to the divine we could get, or passing on life and seeing and hearing a newborn. -
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by juandefiero inhowever, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
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I am too disorganized to keep tab of the links , but recall reading (no videos for me anymore), that there is additional energy in the expanding space appearing that is driving the accelerating expansion of the universe. how could it be expanding if there is not more energy? The thought was expressed that this (dark?) additional energy is a property of the void, and to my thinking that word implies the same realm that existed before, therefore also still "outside" the universe. If these fluctuations that triggered the "freezing" of energy into matter happen only "inside" or "after" the start, happened only "in" our realm of moving through time, , how can they be the cause? there has to be a reach into time before we started moving through it !?
The picture I have from what I read is, that an expanding universe would incorporate more and more of the energy that is latent, that was there before the beginning, before the universe started expanding. We might be off topic though, because the discussion was about "god" and not a creator and creative processes. . The Universe looks so much like something the best minds of man and womankind would concoct and make --eventually--, that work is the best analogy we have to explain existence.
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Even discounting belief in a creator, just for the alleged effects of virtual particles popping in and out of existence, the theorists tentatively acknowledge that time exists prior to movement through it that carries us into the future. -
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Fisherman; "--I also do not believe that time and empty space always existed before the universe--" you are right, our 3 space dimensions, empty or filled with matter, are not eternal, they started expanding , that is moving through time in our beginning aka the "big bang" However, if you consider the creator to be eternal, he must have existed in it, Time has to be the property of a creator in every sense of the word. only he is not moving through it as we do. even creation is moving through time at different speeds. Time does not flow , it is stationary, we flow through it, not even stopping for the now, one moment. We have momentum moving through time. -
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by juandefiero inhowever, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
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Coded Logic: "Happens all the time. It's called the Casimir Effect."-- If this force inherent in the vacuum, the void would have been present in the pre-beginning realm, It would negate the idea of a self made Universe out of nothing, since the effect, the inward pressure on the plates, is an expression of energy, it can never be called nothing. perhaps there was never a time when there was nothing, and then the presence of a creator or the equivalent what we would have to call it, becomes a possibility. and: the small casimir effect is thought to be minute, compared to the energy that is really present, churning in the virtual vacuum.
"--the total sum energy of our universe is zero.--" wrong imho. just because the dynamic energy (movement) nearly balances the energy locked up in the form of matter (hence gravity), and the two balance, like in the Earth's orbit does not mean that there is zero energy in the system, au contraire, there are 2 not zero energies. 2 energies that are balanced, but add up to two, just like the weight and the merchandise on the other side of the balance scale. and:
then there is the excess energy that causes the accelerated expansion of the the universe. make it 3 not 0. so:
While the presence of energy. and by extension time is understood to be present in the void is no proof that a creator exist, it at least proves that conditions existed that made creative works possible, god? that is another question.
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PAROUSIA: The Watchtower's IRON BALLOON
by Terry inthe iron balloon: parousia.
“up, up and away in my beautiful.
.balloon,” is the lyric of a popular song from the 60’s.. it captures an emotional exhilaration lifting us from everyday life way up into the sky away from all our cares and woe.. .
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WT iron balloon?, baloney, it's a lead (Pb) zeppelin. bigger and heavier. a flight only in fancy. It has mis-lead so many, from one misleading date to the next. as you so ably pointed out Terry.