Posts by prologos

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Sun,moon, earth and mathematics .

by atomant in

just thought id let you all in on some info i found on northeasttruth.com.

that magical moment where the moon blocks out the sun!

but only just enough to perfectly cover the suns disc, whilst still allowing us to see the corona of light and other electromagnetic forces radiating from it.. this only happens because the moon diameter is exactly 1/400th the size of the suns and is positioned at exactly 1/400th of the distance between earth and the sun!so, when we see it from the surface of earth, we are in the only place this can ever be seen, at the only time it could ever happen.

prologos

Sl: "--figure even closer to the speed of light.

ok I bite on that. Of course, as cofty would say: "bollocks". The builders had enough trouble putting it together, to worry about "c" ratios; but if you could establish from data that increments in real world structures, in dynamics, have ratios that conform to a "speed-of-light" related pattern, --you could be on to something. Since even gravity's changes, are believed to propagate at c, many measurements are also representing wave length, distance , frequency values. Kepler mined the data of Brahe, and similarly, finding any pattern based on c could reveal a [standing] wave or resonance background. The coincident, that the diameter of the Earth's orbit is ~ 1000 light seconds just invites such analysis. that is why looking at the cosmos, rather than Washington's needly could be monumental.

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Sun,moon, earth and mathematics .

by atomant in

just thought id let you all in on some info i found on northeasttruth.com.

that magical moment where the moon blocks out the sun!

but only just enough to perfectly cover the suns disc, whilst still allowing us to see the corona of light and other electromagnetic forces radiating from it.. this only happens because the moon diameter is exactly 1/400th the size of the suns and is positioned at exactly 1/400th of the distance between earth and the sun!so, when we see it from the surface of earth, we are in the only place this can ever be seen, at the only time it could ever happen.

prologos

V: " Jupiter rotates every 9.925 hours, Saturn at 10.6733.

That is the angular momentum coming out of the solar system's contracting disk. the scattering from the mean of ~ 10,-- +/- .75% you will find in most scientific observation data. If you get your kicks out of quibbling in 3/4 percentage points, rather than contributing positively , we all should feel sorry for you.

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In memory of a lost doctrine - the vindication of Jehovah's name

by slimboyfat in

i start this thread in response to a comment by a jw apologist called simonsays on another thread.

he claimed to have read all three volumes of vindication by rutherford (my sympathy if true).

he further implied that it didn't matter that old jw literature said wrong and stupid things, saying:.

prologos

let your name be sanctified, not vindicated. sanctified by not using it. like Jesus.

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Sun,moon, earth and mathematics .

by atomant in

just thought id let you all in on some info i found on northeasttruth.com.

that magical moment where the moon blocks out the sun!

but only just enough to perfectly cover the suns disc, whilst still allowing us to see the corona of light and other electromagnetic forces radiating from it.. this only happens because the moon diameter is exactly 1/400th the size of the suns and is positioned at exactly 1/400th of the distance between earth and the sun!so, when we see it from the surface of earth, we are in the only place this can ever be seen, at the only time it could ever happen.

prologos

Viviane: "--Most planetary mass rotates at 10 hours, not 24 : no most don't rotate--

with due respect: Saturn rotation 10 hrs, at 10 AU distance, 21 % of all the planetary mass.
Jupiter rotates at 10 hrs at ~ 5 AU distance 71 % of the total planetary mass;-- ergo: 92 % of all the planetary mass rotates at 10 hrs, in angular momentum terms also the Earth Moon system. A stabilizing feature, when you consider we rotate ~in lunation in sync with the sun. harmonizing both in planetary mass and solar mass movement.

PS: and the delicate tissue - thin ring system of Saturn in that 10 hour regime should remind us how such conforming stability is rewarding. and: some of the planets had major disruptions, tidal effects in their history, Mercury, Venus, (tied to the sun) Uranus tilted past the vertical.-- it's a democracy, majority rule, you conform. you prosper.

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There is science that prove God exists

by HopeEverLasting in

jw
friends

jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

there is another mode for how he exists.

now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

prologos

A ha: "More importantly, however we characterize this boundary, the cosmic background microwave radiation shows that conditions of our "local," or observable universe obtain at least to the edge of our light cone, and anything happening beyond that is impenetrable to us.

thank you aha for those explanations that I mostly agree with. re: Background radiation, that of course, while in our light cone, is looking into the past, seeing not what there is now, but was 300 00 years after the beginning. just having Penrose: "Cycles of times " handy, and do not dome of his light cones, life lines go beyond the zero mark into the past, the before the bang?

I see a pattern from the geocentric world view we came to the central sun, then the our Milky Way universe, now realise that our "ALL", (the german version) is not all there is to the cosmos either,

136

Sun,moon, earth and mathematics .

by atomant in

just thought id let you all in on some info i found on northeasttruth.com.

that magical moment where the moon blocks out the sun!

but only just enough to perfectly cover the suns disc, whilst still allowing us to see the corona of light and other electromagnetic forces radiating from it.. this only happens because the moon diameter is exactly 1/400th the size of the suns and is positioned at exactly 1/400th of the distance between earth and the sun!so, when we see it from the surface of earth, we are in the only place this can ever be seen, at the only time it could ever happen.

prologos

A thread: "Moon, laws & mathematics", an astronomy version of "--Science that proves that God exists", and in coming back to your moon numerical proposal, : Most planetary mass rotates at 10 hours, not 24, like the Earth, but if the angular momentum of the Earth/Moon system is considered, it evens out, what ever smacked the earth to separate the moon, hit just right to have them rotate at the same rate as the sun. In golf, that's a "hole in one" all made possible by the conditions in the beginning that came out of the energetic, bubbling "nothing". so, the sun, and we rotate, conceive at the same cadence, is that not amazing?

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There is science that prove God exists

by HopeEverLasting in

jw
friends

jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

there is another mode for how he exists.

now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

prologos

A Ha: "The Laws of Physics explain the orbits of the planets. It's also possible that Moon Fairies push the moon around its orbit while the planets follow Newtonian physics. "Possible" is not an impressive claim, especially when there's no reason to think it's the case.

It is not just you, another poster has a threat on "Moon, laws & mathematics", an astronomy version of "--Science that proves that God exists", and in coming back to your moon fairies proposal, : Most planetary mass rotates at 10 hours, not 24, like the Earth, but if the angular momentum of the Earth/Moon system is considered, it evens out, what ever smacked the earth to separate the moon, hit just right to have them rotate at the same rate as the sun. In golf, that's a "hole in one" all made possible by the conditions in the beginning that came out of the energetic, bubbling "nothing".

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There is science that prove God exists

by HopeEverLasting in

jw
friends

jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

there is another mode for how he exists.

now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

prologos

cofty: "You see what you want to see.
prologos: we will see about that. I will read it again (gave my cop to charity)***. perhaps there is an updated edition? , and will get back to you all. I based my observations on material from what i remember of Krauss, Penrose, and "From Eternity to here" which sits on my night table right now, --, with annotated bookmark
PS: *** together with many science books going back 50 years, they contain all but history, 4 years is a long time in cosmology and many of the genre only re-defined the word "nothing" or "void" .

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There is science that prove God exists

by HopeEverLasting in

jw
friends

jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

there is another mode for how he exists.

now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

prologos

Yes I have, and if I can summarize my reaction in one sentence: the learned man denies that there ever was truly "nothing" rien, nichts.

148

There is science that prove God exists

by HopeEverLasting in

jw
friends

jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

there is another mode for how he exists.

now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

prologos

Ok Prologos you should email Lawrence Krauss and let him know that he doesn't mean what he clearly says.

It might be like writing to brooklyn, and the context of what you so well quoted might have changed. . I am just trying to gather MHO, cherry picking , I admit, information from all these sources to fit my world picture/model which has the universe expanding like a 2 (3space-1) dimensional balloon skin. expanding, moving through time from a starting point in time , but time that as a dimension stretches to infinity. Just like I desire more time for my future, I like to cede to the creator time to work in, in the pre-universe past.