Posts by prologos

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Is changing the "truth" / presenting "new light" really so bad?

by Zana in

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playing devil's advocate here.... what's the difference between the gb changing bible interpretations compared to parliaments all over the world changing laws?

although the us constitution (=bible) remains untouched, congress passes i don't know how many new laws every year.

and of course people are expected to follow them.

prologos

Using politics as an analogy to search for truth is lacking, for truth is understood to be related more to an understanding of the ultimate reality, whereas politics and the laws are just the struggles of a current ruling system.

Wt's new truth, brighter lights "are really so bad", because they have caused so much unnecessary grief, even if they are not failed dates, false prophecies , think of the "superior authorities" debacle.

What do you expect from evolving critiques of a badly written story, the fables in the bible?

PS: it is just possible that the worst new light is yet to come.

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Joseph and his generation

by maninthemiddle in

so the wt used ex 1:6 to define a generation from the very beginning.

then in the this september broadcast the same person (splain) who spent 20 min with charts to explain a generation, makes a point that joseph and his brothers were very close in age?

(min 4:29).

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ws: "So their use of Joseph collapses by using the Bible

not just on the generation thing. Joseph was the quintessential whistleblower, and wt hates whistleblowers, some of them here. but exposer's work should prosper, like Joseph's, even in antitypical Egypt, the e-world. , because we are telling it like it is,

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... for the sake of argument, suppose that we assume... Hunh???

by Esse quam videri in

july 15, 1924 watchtower , page 211.

‘… but for the sake of argument, suppose that we assume the .

church will not finish its work here in 1925 ... ‘.

prologos

Eqv: " just for the sake of argument, suppose that we assume that Br. Franz was the last of the first group of annointed ones ... '

and he died in 1992 at the age of ~ 100, and we had another like him, overlapping F. Franz the same way, , we would have Armageddon in 2075! a nice centennial!, since the anointed are raptured before the end , giving ~3 years for F. France the 2nd to get ready for immortal combat and the wedding. All this in contradiction of Jesus' words that the generation will not pass away before the end of it all.

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Science the bible and some telling scriptures

by Crazyguy in

if one reads about god creating the earth with any critical thinking you'll notice that he created vegetation and the trees before the sun.

another one that i just read about was the stories about the golden calves.

one story involves the making of a golden calf by aaron and the other is about the golden calves that were set up at bethel and i think dan.

prologos

According to Gen 1:1, the Earth was created with the heavens in the beginning,-- not; but ~ 9 billion years later. The bible is off by 200%.

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Joseph and his generation

by maninthemiddle in

so the wt used ex 1:6 to define a generation from the very beginning.

then in the this september broadcast the same person (splain) who spent 20 min with charts to explain a generation, makes a point that joseph and his brothers were very close in age?

(min 4:29).

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DOC: "Still.....they want to keep "one foot in the door" because......just in case the WT/GB gets it right this time........................

For what I see, they do not worry about the end at all, full bore life and enjoy the wt club, except the really old ones. they worry about the future, because if wt writers were wrong about the dates, how likely is it they are wrong about the resurrection too? .

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Joseph and his generation

by maninthemiddle in

so the wt used ex 1:6 to define a generation from the very beginning.

then in the this september broadcast the same person (splain) who spent 20 min with charts to explain a generation, makes a point that joseph and his brothers were very close in age?

(min 4:29).

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mitm: " that they could contradict themselves so easily?

If D.S. said that, (can't listen unless someone puts it up here), then they are hedging their bets, If all the brothers were ~ the ~same age, of course benjamin was the youngest, then WT wants to be saying it's near it's now! when they invoke the old and faithful like Br, Franz, who died in 1992 at ~ 100, and his likeness now, it will take us to 2075, in that case they are playing the long card, don't blame us, we told you so.

hedging their bets, like in 1975 buying expensive real estate in Brooklyn cheap, when preaching that the millennium was imminent

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The elusive song 151 makes an appearance.

by SadElder in

the missing song 151 now titled "the revealing of god's sons" shows up with the september edition of tv.jw.

no words or score on the jw page yet.

can't say that it sounds any different than any of the other songs they produce now.

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Sanchy: "-- Is this some kind of "new light" in that the 144k do indeed take part in the war?

WT writers have vacillated over the question of combat by immortal resurrected christians, based on the text "--god will crush satan under your feet shortly --"Rom 16:20, or whether they would instead direct the initial building of the paradise as survivors of Armageddon. What is new that their charts now predict the early rapture of the overlapping anointed generation at the onset of the great Tribulation, long before the end, contradicting Jesus' word, that the generation would " not pass away until all theses things", including the end occur.

Jesus words supported the idea that the anointed would survive, not pass away, to start pardise. after all, it is the 144 00 sons of god that are the primary inheritors of the earth too. according to wt.

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Jehovah's Witnesses - a religion of displaced people?

by slimboyfat in

i've had a theory for a long time that jws historically have appealed to people who have been displaced or find themselves in a new environment away from family and friends.

i also read an article recently that suggested that internal migration in italy was a big boost for jw growth.

more generally it has long been theorised that new religious movements are a phenomenon particularly associated with disruptive features of modernity, including the hyper-mobility of people in the modern age.

prologos

very good point slim. I would never have become religious in my birth city, where religion is a joke. That is why Jws keep calling back, because as they say: "people's situations change"--, they become vulnerable,

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Caption Competition

by Tallon in

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"my dear girl, there are some things that just aren't done, such as drinking dom perignon '53 above the temperature of 38 degrees fahrenheit.".

over to you ....

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let's water the lawn.

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WT "Study" for 4th September 2016 - “Seek the Kingdom, Not Things”

by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

i’m sitting there in the kingdom hall just thinking how rich it is of the gbojw to preach about materialism when they have recently been evidenced to be using bro’s & sis’ contributions to the world wide work to travel business class!

just that thought alone was leading me to read scripture while they were all engaged in the wt “study”.. however, then it came to paragraph 17 and i blurted / choked a little.

the paragraph said that “we should not imitate the people of ‘the nations,’ who have no real faith in a loving heavenly father who cares for those who put the interests of his kingdom first in their life.”.

prologos

The end is coming, you can anticipate it for you, by looking at your families age of death, and see how many years you have left. Wt has been wrong on all predictions about the future, why would it be different this time? If you will not be comfortable when you can not work any more, give it a big spurt of earning so that you are. You deserve your golden years to be golden, not wt's, or their glorious ones'. you have slaved enough.