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  Origin of Life

  by cofty in

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  in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

  as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

  there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

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  C: "in fact endowing satan's followers with the gift of life giving,-- I don't get.

  The wt version of the bible flood story has the fallen immaterial "sons" of god "materialize" , or create human flesh&blood to cohabit with the gorgeous, near perfect females. The newly created males were ready to pass on life. so: does that not mean God had granted to others, the angels live-creating and passing-on capacity (this strain of life was different from Adam's genetics package)? of course this is all bollocks, but fodder for the gullible, and a continuing argument in wt's options to deal with the inevitable.
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  Origin of Life

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

  as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

  there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

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  cofty

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  Memphis - The angels who made bodies for themselves already possessed the "spirit of life" - they were living spirits who changed form.
  Same goes for the resurrected Jesus.

  The resurrection of the mythological Jesus, according to wt writers must have been a two step process, 1) a giving to him of immortality, and 'second Adam,' life-giving spirit, and 2) him then "materialising" a fake human body from scratch. A hybrid body that could penetrate walls.

  The pre-deluvian angels turned demons being able to create organic bodies from scratch, in fact endowing satan's followers with the gift of life giving, allows for wt to claim.-- when scientific abiogenesis happens, that this system , Satan's, still exercises that longstanding power. nothing "materialistic only"about it. in their possible view. That is why How it is going to happen will shape creationist's response.
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  Origin of Life

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

  as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

  there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

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  Mephis: "angels collecting dust (or whichever inanimate materials are supposedly required) and making their own bodies to impregnate women.

  good point I had not thought of that aspect, and how about the the body that Jesus is supposed to have materialized to convince Thomas. In these supposed cases, it was life, non-biological life, that manipulated the dust, the ground rock. If, when human - created life fires up, It would depend very much on the technical aspects to see how believers of various shades react.
  
  
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  Science the bible and some telling scriptures

  by Crazyguy in

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  if one reads about god creating the earth with any critical thinking you'll notice that he created vegetation and the trees before the sun.

  another one that i just read about was the stories about the golden calves.

  one story involves the making of a golden calf by aaron and the other is about the golden calves that were set up at bethel and i think dan.

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  T: "once the word is introduced, it only makes sense to use

  I rarely use it, Jesus never did, as the story goes.
  
  
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  Origin of Life

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

  as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

  there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

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  Mephis: :"(Because if he is, oops on the angels, women and Flood thing!).

  In that mythological example, New life was not created from rocks, merely modified and passed on. Even in the Mary the virgin thing, (technically a kind of cloning), new life was not created, so: the original spark kept being alive and unwell. does not wt imply that the original force can not be captured, as it becomes inoperative at death of a living entity? How about the cryo-preserved bodies, --saving the deity the trouble of remaking the body, just: psssst breathing life again? IMHO' everybody would swallow hard if or when a second line of organic life is made.
  
  
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  Origin of Life

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

  as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

  there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

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  K99:--"The worst part is that then the discussion goes nowhere.

  If only somehow the objections could always be referenced to the bearing they have on the excellent theme that is discussed. Not many mind readers among us. The discussion prove though, that life started right to allow for such struggles for survival, intellectual monopoly that is. thank you just the same.
  
  
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  Science the bible and some telling scriptures

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if one reads about god creating the earth with any critical thinking you'll notice that he created vegetation and the trees before the sun.

  another one that i just read about was the stories about the golden calves.

  one story involves the making of a golden calf by aaron and the other is about the golden calves that were set up at bethel and i think dan.

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  T: "@ prologos - I like you, I really do, but if you can refrain from using the word

  Yeah, when I copied that text out of my green " dinosaur in the Sahara" bible, I stopped briefly, but then for authenticity sakes I put in in, sorry I could not do it for dino too. (I am not making this up). Yesterday I straitened out the public talk speaker on the Bible-science talk he gave about Gen 1:1, : -In the beginning'' Heaven&Erath creation, when generations of stars had to die after the beginning to forge the heavy metals to shape Earth, 10 billion years later, he said: " I know", I said he was wise to put the emphasis on "heaven" rather than the earth. perhaps he is partially awake?
  
  
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  Origin of Life

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

  as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

  there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

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  Ruby: "--what views are on this beyond saying there is no elan vital.

  There is something special though about the necessity for an unbroken line all the way back to the first spark. how is this pssed on in living organism? -- through a special code in the 4 letters dna message? As life goes out, it is like a dangling electrical cord that has been pulled ; of course as an aging male, one will have to admit to some slack as a precursor. Tie me kangaroo down mate?
  
  
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  Origin of Life

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

  as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

  there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

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  Ruby456: " all that happens at death is that the future life prospects of the individual are in God's hands (this is what the spirit itself returns to God means according to JWs.- no intangible spirit travels to God.

  That of course implies that a force is in the living person, she has to be 'on the grid' so to speak, contingent of approval by the power company, God, paying your bills. And elan viv started the spark of life, and maintains it in wt view. or? thank you for bringing back the memories. Ruby. I was always dismayed at the idea of my slack cord dangling, before the glow of the lamp faded.

  
  
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  Science the bible and some telling scriptures

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if one reads about god creating the earth with any critical thinking you'll notice that he created vegetation and the trees before the sun.

  another one that i just read about was the stories about the golden calves.

  one story involves the making of a golden calf by aaron and the other is about the golden calves that were set up at bethel and i think dan.

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  Gen 2: 19 Animals were made after man,~ 6000 years ago: Gen 2:19: Now Jehovah God was forming from the ground every wild beast,--- every flying creature, and began bringing them to the man--" either man was made before the animals eons ago, or the chronology is right and the animals are truly novel creatures/