Posts by prologos

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Logical Problem with WT Anointed

by Vanderhoven7 in

the watchtower september 1, 1951, in a wonderful article entitled “hated for his name”(pp518,519) describes the persecution and martyrdom of steadfast christians in the first 3 centuries ad.. by the year (a.d.) 64 christianity was.

prominent throughout much of the roman.

empire, including the capital city.

prologos

According to wt, all christians were anointed before 1931. but with only ~ 130 000 openings for the only salvation before that, did all the millions of earlier partakers partake unworthily? after all, they did not believe in current true wt doctrines, the 1919 fd slave, (they erroneously thought the apostles were "in") the coming overlapping generation, the Other Sheep not as the gentiles but as non-Christian bread & wine refusers. so: according to wt logic, all these millions were not true Christians, despite martyrs sacrifice, but doomed because not anticipating wt temporarily fleeting doctrines? wt logical anointed problem indeed.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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C: "There was no selection pressure influencing which babies drowned.

Babies in 3 story concrete structures did not drown, but I was speaking in general terms. Catastrophes must have resulted in more drastic changes to the makeup of life, it's purpose, applied more selective pressures than long term opening of niches. or?

TR: Sorry these are not the values of a loving God I will teach my son.

Neither will I, -- my son and young daughter, but I teach them to be realists, foster love in the family, respect to those on the outside, but vigilance and firmness in the competition for life's prises. Thankfulness for the gift of creation we have. Striving for excellence. The creator seems to reward the strivers, to strive is a purpose of life. He seems to expect us to better ourselves.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

prologos

C: "Yes it is. God chose to murder a quarter of a million men, women and childrenIt was 100% god's fault.

As an atheist do you not bestow more power on the creator than he now seems to exercise? Do you see any redeeming value in these near - extinction events ? Could not these seeming setbacks be increments in life's journey to better adaptation? Catastrophes seen as a tool to shape the purpose of life? Untimely death more important to evolution than that of supercentenarians?

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

prologos

ws: "How can the poor, who as you say are forced into building in these areas, also bear responsibility

I am a realistic deist, and see in the plight of the poor in these countries, that live in dire conditions, daily, not just in the danger of traffic, storms, waves, a failure of society to care, to share. If all the money donated at the retail level truly would reach these devastated areas, impenetrable shelters with medical facilities, vitels . could have been constructed. I am not blaming the sufferers, but do not agree that the creator, giver of the possibilities should be blamed for the inability of individuals, families or societies to mitigate danger. bsw I have personally taken one such family squeezed between a railroad and the ocean to higher ground, into a wind- and earthquake -proof house with improved view too.

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need input: My older son has an interesting theory as to why my wife has her head in a watchtower 90% of the time

by goingthruthemotions in

i am still having issues with my still in wife.

my two son's and i don't want anything to do with the cult.

our marriage is a battle ground all the time.

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i wish she would question her beliefs,

be careful, that is why I suggest keeping it to doctrinal error. do not ask her to question her belief in marital fidelity, because separate beds in some quarters are justification for obtaining outside help.

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Any Kiwis Here?

by Wild_Thing in

jw
friends

i'm wondering if there are any here that are from new zealand or currently live there.

i'm going to be staying there for a month in july 2017 ... location to be determined.

i would love to have someone i can ask questions while i am in the planning stages.

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try smiddy.

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need input: My older son has an interesting theory as to why my wife has her head in a watchtower 90% of the time

by goingthruthemotions in

i am still having issues with my still in wife.

my two son's and i don't want anything to do with the cult.

our marriage is a battle ground all the time.

prologos

Distancing yourself from your wife is wrong, why would wt weirdness make you separate beds? If she reads wt literature, great, it is full of gems that prove the religion wrong. Mondays text: "--Jehovah's name people" in the first century? pardon me? " they were called by divine providence Christians" and continued so until 1931. Use her reading material to show that you have the truth, insight about her so-called truth.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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No one was choosing to die in the tsunami.

nobody sane would normally choose to die , if she could avoid it.-- period. But a tsunami is not unleashed by a trigger happy deity, it is triggered by geological events. Blaming the creator, assigning direct responsibility to him, is blaming him for your destiny, to die. it comes with the package. Parents used to bring children into the world knowing full well that only half would reach puberty, and they had children driven by hormones, and to have security in their old age, that rarely came.

JM: "This view is called retribution and I don't accept that too.

Particularly the view by the sick religionist that pointed out what kind denomination of believers suffered most.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

prologos

You are a deist. This is not a debate for you.

Thank you Simon for providing this platform, I thought deists would provide a unique angle to the " purpose of life" debate, because they, in their minds, are given by an uninvolved creator, this unconditional gift of life, no demands, no threats, to use it as they see fit. I understand your anger cofty, but victims bear responsibility, not blame, if they build in areas where disasters are guaranteed to happen, like very close to railroad tracks, road sides, as the very poor are forced to do in some countries, and as is in the low coastal, low cost case, in Banda Aceh and similar local where the poor have the Oceanfront Properties. As a deist I admire and respect the works I live in, accept my lot of having used up 86 % of my allotted time, hoping to stay out of the way of speeding trucks, not nice.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

prologos

Perhaps the most callous words I have ever read.

after viewing your link I apologise for my blanc statement. I never saw any of them, I was referring to the images taking from the air of the incoming waves. I was of course not talking of the Father/ Son team of god's as the cause of this. Tsunamis are a fact of life in that general region. ( During the Krakatau eruption for example) . Has a lesson been learned? These are natural laws taking their course. successful survivors have never ignored the laws. and deep sorrow for the loss.

PS: If survival is one of the purpose of you and your family's life, you would not set up residence in a zone where a wipe-out is guaranteed every overlapping generation, I live 100 meters above a major Earthquake and tsunami - prone coastline, (there were tsunami death less than 100 km near),-- even then, they can slosh higher.