notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
The great crowed" including many of the earliest members thereof, will survive into the "new earth." (Survival Into a New Earth p. 185 emphasis mine) TD:
Your quote invites the wt writers to redefine the generation to be, not the anointed of 1914, but the Other Sheep of 1935 instead. With more example of longevity among them**, that would give the GB more breathing room to really come clean about time, if they wanted to.
** John Glenn 95, Za ZA Gabor 99, Jeane Calment 122.
ny times article: "--- 2 words for truth in russian,--" pravda, the malleable truth, and istina, the unchangeable cosmic reality.
it looks like wt writers like that, or think like that.
wt is constantly changing the surface truth, but can not change the underlying reality, no matter how many groups they overlap.
Punkofnice: is use of profanity nice? it is a question of taste perhaps? here is a definition: quote:
The use of rude words (yfm in Russian) is the attempt of a feeble mind to express itself with force. or,
as my sister would ask: " who taught you that, your mother? or your father,? either way, it reflects on your level of education.
I was raised in the Goebbels era, and area, watched the Cold War verbal sparring between the Americans and Russians in my city, but the misuse of words has reached new levels this posttruth year, worse than wt imho.
you dont have be alive to 2075 to prove that the wt's anointed generation is and will prove to be wrong, it is!
and you can do it now, by asking just one question:.
does the "generation" prophecy of math.
No need to stay alive to xx75, every day you stay alive "in this wicked world" you prove that WT is wrong - we should pet lions and tigers decades ago. btic:
well put, that is why I in another thread, called it a composite generation ,() anointed and OS side by side, with OS alone going past the end. but get my point: we know we can prove, if we wait long enough, that wt has the timing wrong. Bad Timing In Cycles. But by asking just this one question: -" is Armageddon in Math. 24 ?- (according to wt doctrine of course), the fatal flaw is established . From the outset the anointed generation idea, even if David liked it , is wrong. And The wt explainers like Splane with their charts know it, their faces, if you know them, show it, I feel sorry for them.
moses has a history of what 80+ years as a servant of jehovah ?
in one form or another .. moses wrote / penned the first five books of the bible and went through many trials and tribulations in serving his god jehovah in his long lifetime.interacting with god at times.. jesus was born and nothing is recorded of him until he is a young adolescent child ?
and very little about him.. then we are introduced to him when he is 30 years old and gets baptised ,and only then does he start his preaching .. does he start preaching to the world ?
The rest of Christianity saw him as king from the time of his birth, which the feast of Epiphany (January 6 on the Christian calendar) annually marks (the visit of the Magi)
David Jay, thank you, a really great, informative t read.
re: the above point: consider Col. 1:13. --" transplanted us into the kingdom of the son of his love. Paul considered the kingdom to exist then, -- prior to 1914.
you dont have be alive to 2075 to prove that the wt's anointed generation is and will prove to be wrong, it is!
and you can do it now, by asking just one question:.
does the "generation" prophecy of math.
You must speak more plainly. Steve:
I have been trying to do that, and nobody gets the subtle, but crucial point, I am trying to have people figure it out by themselves. Nobody (including often me, really reads the opening post), sorry. but:
The anointed generation will have to pass away sooner or later. Jesus said it will, but not until "all these things have to happen". right? so:
Is Armageddon included in the Math 24 prophecy? if yes, look at the David Splane's or wt charts, and the answer stares you in the face.
picture yourself as a member of the brooklyn bethel family on friday morning, october 2, 1914. you are seated at your usual place at the breakfast table, awaiting the arrival of brother c. t. russell.
suddenly the door to the dining room opens and brother russell appears.
he pauses for a moment, as is his custom, and greets the bethel family with a cheery “good morning, all.” but then, instead of immediately taking his place at the head of the table, he claps his hands and makes a thrilling announcement: “the gentile times have ended; their kings have had their day!” you can hardly contain your joy—you have been looking forward to this moment for a long time!
the flow of Steve2's opening post: Nathan,
thank you for reminding me, i again am guilty of not re-reading, and then ignoring , the important opening post. Bsw, your name picture reminds me of standing behind that imposing person of Nathan H. Knorr, for a long time (like David in the cave behind Saul) ha ha, while he read his favoured magazine: -- Time.
why does the wt interpret matt.24:34 "truly i say to you this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.
" as having overlapping generations ?
and not applying the same reasoning to any other scripture/s referring to a generation or this generation .?
As I said, they are dead.
Steve, that would be too easy, we want to see some more comedy from them.
picture yourself as a member of the brooklyn bethel family on friday morning, october 2, 1914. you are seated at your usual place at the breakfast table, awaiting the arrival of brother c. t. russell.
suddenly the door to the dining room opens and brother russell appears.
he pauses for a moment, as is his custom, and greets the bethel family with a cheery “good morning, all.” but then, instead of immediately taking his place at the head of the table, he claps his hands and makes a thrilling announcement: “the gentile times have ended; their kings have had their day!” you can hardly contain your joy—you have been looking forward to this moment for a long time!
"One hundred twenty more - wait for 2034!" Nathan, great,
you are into poems today, but its 1914 plus 120 more= 2034. we have it easier now:
2016 : only eighteen more to go to 2-oh-34 it is Rev. magic. 18 X 6.66 = 120.
you dont have be alive to 2075 to prove that the wt's anointed generation is and will prove to be wrong, it is!
and you can do it now, by asking just one question:.
does the "generation" prophecy of math.
overlapping generation is a joke Steve,
agreed, but I was not mentioning the overlapping generation. It is the anointed generation, before it even had to start overlapping. The overlap is the icing on the cake, the meat of the pie is in the definition, mathematically of the anointed generatio. that is why the "Armageddon in Mat. 24" is relevant to stop wt. it's claim to be spirit directed.
you dont have be alive to 2075 to prove that the wt's anointed generation is and will prove to be wrong, it is!
and you can do it now, by asking just one question:.
does the "generation" prophecy of math.
doing is Arithmetic . Natas:
a very lucid comment. in Math, a formula is defined by it's parameters, and the anointed generation wt equation is a failure, because the end term is outside what the jesus quotation allows? please try, thank you.
