'join the club knowing the terms of membership'? How does this work with young ones under the age of consent who are ramrailed into baptism? Surely there must be a statutory age limit to baptism etc to protect default baptism. The young ones who are baptised too young face tremendous hardship if, at a later time, they exercise free will/choice to leave, but are hampered by the cruelty of shunning by one time loving family members. Such shunning is an infringement of children's rights, and tanatamount to emotional abuse.
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Un shunning
by zeb inwith change looming large on the horizon what will those people do who make a wt/career of shunning should it become just a 'conscience issue'.
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A Sister Stops the CO's Bullying
by Simon Templar inwe had the co a few weeks ago.
i waited a few weeks for time to pass to post.
we now have a new co. he started in september and his first visit to our congo was a little while ago.
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It's time the rank and file stood up for themselves and each other. Recent scandalous events and increasingly flawed prophecies etc should give them ammunition to raise questions. The CO's etc are just company reps. Were I still I'd fire a few salvos across certain one's bows..... -
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Plans for huge Jehovah's HQ take shape
by Formerbrother inhttp://www.chelmsfordweeklynews.co.uk/news/11227290.plans_for_huge_jehovah_s_hq_take_shape/.
its going to be a real beautiful place when its finished.. they are going for quality over quantity.
it used to be accommodation for a few thousand permanent residents, now its looking like less than a thousand permanent with the possibility of a few thousand more in temporary accommodation should the need arise.. some say the plans are going to be like a garden of eden in england :) i mean they had farming in london over the years but this is going to be epic what they are planning for temple farm at chelmsford.. they are planting thousands (literally) of fruit trees, including tropical fruits in huge green houses, huge vines yards and then the same basic farming activities as before.
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Plans for huge Jehovah's HQ take shape
by Formerbrother inhttp://www.chelmsfordweeklynews.co.uk/news/11227290.plans_for_huge_jehovah_s_hq_take_shape/.
its going to be a real beautiful place when its finished.. they are going for quality over quantity.
it used to be accommodation for a few thousand permanent residents, now its looking like less than a thousand permanent with the possibility of a few thousand more in temporary accommodation should the need arise.. some say the plans are going to be like a garden of eden in england :) i mean they had farming in london over the years but this is going to be epic what they are planning for temple farm at chelmsford.. they are planting thousands (literally) of fruit trees, including tropical fruits in huge green houses, huge vines yards and then the same basic farming activities as before.
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Shunning ? did JEHOVAH shun Satan ?
by smiddy ini don`t know if this has been addressed before , however it appears there is an inconsistency and a big one at that with the practice of shunning with jw`s.
elders / ministerial servants look out for the spiritual health of the congregation , and if they see something they feel is detrimental to the spiritual health of the congregation they are going to act to rectify it, .
they take appropiate action where they think is necessary .
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other random thoughts:
Presumably good angels shun demons?..
Angels/demons don't have a mediator so satan and all demons are condemned to death as they are sinful, 'bloodguilty', and have no means of reinstatement..
If, as the bible says, adam and eve were subjected to an edenic test of obedience/freewill, (as jesus was tested by satan ) were angels also subjected to a test since they too have 'free will'? if so, how could they be tested?...unless....human creation is itself a test of angels. since presumably there were never any demons or fallen angels prior to man's appearance on earth....oh dear, I appear to be rambling again..!
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I've begun reading the Qur'an
by nicolaou ini've reached the point where i feel legitimate comment needs to be backed by knowledge of the source.. i'll post occasional updates on how i'm doing and what i'm learning .
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The older I get the more I'm realizing that the basic flaw in religion is two fold. The unprovable and the unknown.
1) Any religion based on any book puts full trust in that book as truly being 'Inspired' and not just any man's or group of men's musings and assorted conclusions and selected narratives. They therefore claim to have a 'divine commission'..a claim which is unprovable.
2) Any/all religion has as it's basis earthly origins or ideology. It uses fear of the unknown to exercise control.
ie unless 'a God/Higher Power' actually physically speaks to the world it all comes down to belief/trust in men and a belief that only one religion is the 'true religion', when really no religion is the true one....
religion is therefore inherently divisive and a breeding ground for extremism. unless a divine power ( if it exists at all!) intervenes, religions are able to build up a constructed historical basis and a future based on transient ideology. Basically religion is deceptive. It claims to be authentic when there is no tangible method to prove authenticity. 'Religion being the opium of the masses' increasingly rings true.
Please excuse my rambling....!
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Changes and why
by Formerbrother inso far these are all the recent changes i know of, please add more if i have missed anything.. 1. all construction projects have either been stopped or reduced.. 2. all bethels are downsizing by at least 20% within one year of the announcement, and almost certainly more in years to come.. 3. remaining belelites will have to make their own food, do their own washing and cleaning.. no more laundry department, no more kitchen and waiters, no more housekeeping!.
and you still only get 80 per month, but no rent or bills, and food will be provided in the family fridge but you have to prepare it yourself.. as to why, it has been said several times officially its not because of a lack of funds, but how could that possibly be the truth?.
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Why didn't Jehovah know the flood wouldn't work?
by OverlappingGeneralizations inthis has been something that is bugging me lately-.
jehovah is all knowing.
he knows that to do away with evil, he has to do away with satan.
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How many angels became demons? How many left in 'heaven'? Has God created any more angels to replace those fallen ones?..... Satan and associated subjects bug me....I can never understand how satan was allowed to cross the line from spirit to inhabiting a snake... just thinking..!... -
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Watchtower decline or strategy?
by the girl next door inso the conversation goes amongst friendly exjws:.
optimist: watchtower must be hurting for money.
look at all the downsizing and begging for money.. pessimist: no way they are hurting.
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ATT: WARNING
by EJ257 inplease be aware of everything that is happening around the world at this moment in time.
this goes to anyone, ex-communicated, removed, serving, believer and non.
at this point in my observations i have realized many religions/ideologies know there is some sort "end of time" or a transition into a new order of living in this earth.
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context. we have massive information overload by the media and press these days. Every event in every country is reported and sometimes exaggerated....with colour photos and shocking videos too on occasion. Nothing prior to this media age has ever been reported or recorded on such a scale.. No doubt Vlad the Impaler and other despicable terrorist organizations carried on their horrors with most of the worlds populations blissfully unaware...yes, it does seem that things are getting worse, but remember, good news never sold newspapers...