i tried to join witnet and used a different nick name.
the idea being that i could try to "help" the confused.well i got rumbled.
this is the email that i recieved back:.
Hi outcast,
I remember hearing about that on the old h20....(where Ray and I went head to head over a topic) He came across as a really angry person......any update on that btw? thanks and regards,Tina
Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny...."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense,you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."
the excellent threads started by amazing and jt sum up different aspects of a way of looking at my family i only recently realised that i had developed.. to give background, i walked away in '93 but have retained fairly good relations with my family although i have never had a 'show-down' regarding beliefs, just a few half-hearted fire-fights.. my girlfriend (never a jw) had met them a few times.
a few months ago we went for a meal at their house.
i think that my parents had decided beforehand to 'get her alone', so my dad asked for help with his pc in his office at home.. my mum and my girlfriend were in the living room; i could hear what was going on from where i was.. my mum was basically doing the "it is the truth you know" bit (a jw mind trick; sincere repetiton, eye contact, gesture, head nod... what do they think they are, some kind of jedi??
Hi rodnico,
Well said!! Describes my mom to a tee. regards,Tina
Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny...."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense,you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."
for the majority of humans, certain events are surrounded by tradition and ritual.
marriage, the birth of children, entrance into adulthood, and death are all life-events which will be marked by most with a form of religious ceremony.
for the few who have left off affiliation with a religious organization, these events are marked differently - more by tradition than by mystic ritual.
Hiyas expat
Im waiting on a packet of info regarding that-soon as I get it Ill send you the specifics. I'm curious if its at all different than what I've planned. I know where I want my ashes as well.
hugs,T
Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny...."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense,you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."
for the majority of humans, certain events are surrounded by tradition and ritual.
marriage, the birth of children, entrance into adulthood, and death are all life-events which will be marked by most with a form of religious ceremony.
for the few who have left off affiliation with a religious organization, these events are marked differently - more by tradition than by mystic ritual.
Hi HE,
I agree,witness funeral services are nothing more than an 'infomercial' for the wts. Nothing personal or comforting about them at all.
Since my family is religiously split-some jw's,some rc's my humanist funeral should actually prevent hard feelings between the two.(but that's not my reason) The closure comes from laughing together,crying together,etc in short being in an atmosphere where one can openly express thoughts and feelings.......that's why I want to 'design' my final exit,as it were. regards,Tina
Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny...."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense,you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."
since drifting from the org over the last year or so i have been slowly updating my clothes.
i thought maybe it was just me who had been dressing like a middle aged matron since i was 23 but whilst talking to a young xsister recently i learnt that she too has thrown out most of the clothes she used to wear whilst a dub.. has anyone else found themselves doing this, and is it just a female thing?
Hi wendy,
I have a few :>,hugs,Tina
Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny...."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense,you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."
hi everyone, i went to the local ex-jw support group today and kaynor asked if i was interested in being trained as a co-facilitator for the group.
no doubt this kind of training is mainly hands-on, but i was wondering if anyone has any recommended reading for this.
thanks.
Hi Intro,
One of the books we used in training was Yaloms 'The Theory and Practice of Group Psychotherapy'. I think you'd find a lot of insight there,,,regards,Tina
Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny...."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense,you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."
for the majority of humans, certain events are surrounded by tradition and ritual.
marriage, the birth of children, entrance into adulthood, and death are all life-events which will be marked by most with a form of religious ceremony.
for the few who have left off affiliation with a religious organization, these events are marked differently - more by tradition than by mystic ritual.
Hi Java!
Thanks for the url. Some time ago I found a humanist group. They meet on campus UIC(which is in my back yard)Unfortunately the mtg schedule is difficult for me to make. I have some online hum.pals,and we mail each other.
My sister had a Unitarian wedding ceremony,it was quite nice!
Which journal? I get a few.......Don't know any religious humanists,tho I know they're out there......I'd be interested on yout take about that . Thanks and regards,Tina
Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny...."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense,you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."
things have certainly been eventful since i sent my da letter.
it hasn't been announced at the meeting yet, but plenty seem to know!!!!!
monday a pioneer sister called me.
Hi jurs and Congrats!!
I chose not to write a letter for the same reasons stated by thirdson and jt,but I can understand why some do. WTG! regards,Tina
Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny...."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense,you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."
for the majority of humans, certain events are surrounded by tradition and ritual.
marriage, the birth of children, entrance into adulthood, and death are all life-events which will be marked by most with a form of religious ceremony.
for the few who have left off affiliation with a religious organization, these events are marked differently - more by tradition than by mystic ritual.
Hi sis,
I've thought about this.
My thoughts run similar to Ginnys. I've been to many many generic as well as denomination specific funerals.
To help facilitate the grieving/closure process,I would like those who wish,to share a personal note/memory/observation,and music of my choice. Something that meant a lot to me.
I want no biblical/god references at all(Im a humanist) I expect those that feel the need to pray would do so silently.I'll put this in writing as I expect even tho my son and hub know how I feel, they might be swayed by family pressure on how'to do it'.
Thanks for bringing this up,luv ya,Tina
Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny...."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense,you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."
howdy all,.
i've recently discovered all the great ex-jw sites on the internet, and i've enjoyed reading other people's stories.
but a few passing comments in some stories have made me wonder: do or did the elders keep files on individuals in each congregation?
Greetings,
No one knocks on my door-never have since I left.
The fs groups make an obvious skip over my house,I know I've watched and waited over the yrs to see if they would knock.
I'm not DA'd or DF'd,but even since the cong,revamped the territory the newer ones still never knock-I believe there must be a notation in some record about my son and I. Tina
Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny...."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense,you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."
