"Knorr hated Californians. The best disfellowshipping stories always came from California. Too much Californication out there..." metratron That might explain why so many circuit overseers used the California witnesses as examples of bizarre behavior, not to be emulated. Normally CO's don't criticize the brotherhood, but if they had heard Knorr say it, it was gospel. tms
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33Are/Were California witnesses REALLY different?
by TMS inrumors and urban legends abound with respect to california .
witnesses.
my suspicion is that envy and the hollywood personna.
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Are/Were California witnesses REALLY different?
by TMS inrumors and urban legends abound with respect to california .
witnesses.
my suspicion is that envy and the hollywood personna.
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"But lax on rules? No way!!! All of the CO's and DO's were longtimers, came to California after having much seniority. Many powerhouses down here. It seemed like information came from Bethel to California then to the midwest. More moderate in thinking instead of inbred power." simplesally
That rings true. I suspect SoCal especially was a "perc" assignment for CO's and DO's. My peers who pioneered for years and eventually went into circuit work usually started in North Dakota. lol! A prominent district overseer, Eugene Brandt let it slip that his "discipline" was to serve us as a circuit overseer in Arkansas. He lasted one round through the circuit and went back into district work.
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Are/Were California witnesses REALLY different?
by TMS inrumors and urban legends abound with respect to california .
witnesses.
my suspicion is that envy and the hollywood personna.
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Rumors and urban legends abound with respect to California
witnesses. My suspicion is that envy and the Hollywood personna
have contributed to the perception that somehow Jehovah's Witnesses
who happen to live in California are different.In the 60's and 70's I heard so many things about my California
brothers, usually from the circuit overseers or other elders.Just a few:
Brothers giving talks wearing gold chains or tennis shoes. Elders
making shepherding calls in Beverly Hills, being handed a martini
at the door by the butler. Faddish health food diets required by
circuit overseers for their noon meals.Is any of this true?
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Where are you on the map? New Maps
by Lady Lee inok there are so many americans on the map now i had to split you all in half.. valis was kind enough to let me place the maps on his website until i found a new home for them.. photobucket seems to be a good option - at least for now.
so i have uploaded the new maps which have been updated to include everyone who has asked.. so if you were wondering where we are from.
or how close you are to other jwd posters in your area just take a look.
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extreme southern tip of texas
"on the border, by the sea"
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my take...
by teejay in... on the watchtower society.
i am not one who will ever bother to waste my time heaping praise on the jw religion as though it were some kind of improvement on society.
i have no qualms in saying that it was, is, and always will be a dangerous religion ?
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"I was born and raised in Arkansas." teejay
Arkansas(1969-1996) My wife and I were sent there as a young
pioneer couple. I replaced the Congregation Servant in a small
town who was having sex with a 15 year old girl in the congregation.
The overseer had convinced the society that the young girl was the
only viable option to handle the congregation accounts. Thus, the
two had a "reason" to get together.Although I was born in Renton, Washington and my wife in Texas,
we regard Arkansas as home. It was where we sort of made our
own life together, where our son was born in 1972.We had a Razorback decal on the bumper of our Volkswagen van.
We relished every minute of the glory years of Eddie Sutton, Lou
Holtz and Nolan Richardson. My wife frequently started her door-
to-door presentations with some reference to the previous Razorback
game.The scenery could be breathtaking: Winding Hwy. 71 to Fayetteville,
Hwy. 7 from Russellville to Dogpatch, Cedar Falls in Petit Jean State
Park, Devils Fork at Greers Ferry Lake, Mt. Nebo, etc.Surely, we have mutual acquaintances. We know hundreds of JW's in
central Arkansas, many in the western part, Pine Bluff, Searcy,
Fayetteville, Russellville, Hot Springs, etc.Wooooooooo! Piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig! Souieeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Go Hogs!
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Reasoning
by RosscoeX inin the scriptures we a verse that reads, " for the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of god.
", the jws how ever replace the word " cross " with " torture stake " if you will now follow this thought thru with me, lets see what we get?
from the verses above, if we used "torture stake" then asked, q " are you perishing or are you saved?
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RosscoeX,
Do you know how the aboriginies are able to distinguish between poisonous and non-poisonous roots?
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my take...
by teejay in... on the watchtower society.
i am not one who will ever bother to waste my time heaping praise on the jw religion as though it were some kind of improvement on society.
i have no qualms in saying that it was, is, and always will be a dangerous religion ?
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ok, teejay
Examples of genuine human spirit permeate the JW landscape. I
recently discovered on the internet the obituary of Larry Ranch, the
first congregation overseer I remember who was not my pedophile
father. Larry made everyone around him feel like they had special
gifts. He de-emphasized himself unlike any other JW shepherd I
ever interacted with. The self-esteem I carried into life, despite my
dysfunctional family, was in large measure due to him.But can't examples of human nobility be found in Dachau, the ghetto,
the convent, the '93 Chicago Bulls and all the whistleblowers, para-
medics, father figures, nurturers, philanthropists and single mothers
throughout history?Did we have to live a lie? Couldn't we at least have had our shot at
the real world?Just over a year ago, I attended my retirement party. I was comple-
mented on a "wonderful" career after thirty years spent in the same
entry level job I started with, while I eschewed promotion, attended
assemblies, pioneered and stifled any natural ambition that surfaced.Do you know what hurts me the most, teejay? I passed the same lie
on to my only son and crushed his potential just as mine had been
crushed.tms
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. . . commonly referred to as the "soft tail"
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So I'm Dancing, and This Bitch Is Just WATCHING Me
by SixofNine indo you think dogs are critical of the way we dance?
are dogs from black families less embarrassed by their owner's dancing?
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Our dearly departed min pin, Wessie, would disallow the slightest variation from your normal walk. If a family member tried to put a little rhythm in their gate or hop in their step, he would attack their lower legs.
At least we knew how to put him into instant attack mode.
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An Estranged Son Comes Home to Visit, Not Work~Wichita Eagle 5/29
by TMS inthis excerpt is part 4. it has some elements many of us can identify with.
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an estranged son comes home to visit, not work .
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A very thin "slice of life" story. Although I know none of the participants I see common sense prevailing in this family. David Sauble and wife travelled to attend a high school reunion. That is atypical for witnesses, but normal by any other standard. David's family gave "asylum" to his prodigal daughters. While David might view that as "interference", it may very well have prevented greater tragedy.
David strikes me as more of a worker than a talker. He may have difficulty articulating his feelings and convictions. He wanted to observe while others worked, but just couldn't pull that off. He's probably a very good man, a victim of a persuasive religious cult.
David and wife initiated this renewal of contact with family. That is a good sign.
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