JT,
You just described our heritage as JW's.
TMS
Posts by TMS
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6Over 10 million JW Abused
by JT inthis post sums up the "scorched earth policy of wt".
***there are millions of documented abuses by the wt*** .
if you documented every life that has been twisted by this cult, then he is right.
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How Big a Liar Are You?
by Mindchild init seems nothing gets the good people in here so upset as lies.
we all seem to be extra sensitive to lies and damned lies because of being victimized by one of the biggest lairs around, the wts.. but have you ever really tested yourself to find out if you are really snow white yourself?
you got the guts to find out?
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About twenty-five years ago, a store where I worked required all employees to take the proverbial "lie detector" test, administered by a "trained practitioner". Several of us were in a waiting room, while a fellow employee took the test.
After about twenty minutes, the examination room door opened and the employee emerged. He announced to the waiting group that he had passed the test with flying colors. "All my lines were straight as a string!" he exclaimed.
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Human Nature
by TMS ini always thought i could sell.. when i learned that a brother owned the state distributorship for wynns automotive additives and needed a salesman, i called.. g.t.
met me on my lunch hour, driving the new 1970 buick he had just won in a national sales contest and explained the program: 25% straight commission as a self-employed sales operative.. the following monday, i met g.t.
at the warehouse.
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Amnesian is working on a blockbuster post, but in the interim, Celtic has something to say!
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PUBLISHERS
by Frenchy injehovahs witnesses are under a grand and multi-faceted illusion that has been fabricated and is being maintained by the society.
one such facet of that great illusion is that jws are actually proclaiming gods kingdom and teaching people the truth about god and jesus.
it was only a few years ago (hey, im not the brightest candle on the cake!
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Frenchy,
Your response to PlmKrzy was as reasoned, non-vitriolic a description of the life cycle of a JW convert I have read.
I printed it for my non-internet wife, who has been saying these same things. She tucked it away for future use.
My wife recently had a heart-to-heart with her 82 yr old non-Witness mother, during which she apologized for all the years of being an aloof daughter. My mother-in-law tried to share the blame, but my wife would have none of that. So, they are "trying" to have a relationship, but the years and hurts have taken their toll.
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The Benefit of Humour ..........for Teejay
by Aussiemanhunter ingerday teejay,.
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>got a question for ya, aussiemanhunter (welcome, btw),.
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Magnificent,
Cutting through the psychobabble, r u tryin' to say "Laughter Is the Best Medicine?"
TMS
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PUBLISHERS
by Frenchy injehovahs witnesses are under a grand and multi-faceted illusion that has been fabricated and is being maintained by the society.
one such facet of that great illusion is that jws are actually proclaiming gods kingdom and teaching people the truth about god and jesus.
it was only a few years ago (hey, im not the brightest candle on the cake!
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Thinking about these words of yours, Frenchy: “After that I realized that we were not studying the Bible with our Bible Studies but were merely using the Bible (which in my area is still revered by the majority of people) to validate what was being ‘preached’ by the book. It was a book study, not a Bible study. Once the householder ‘progressed’ to the point of no longer questioning what we told them, the Bible was seldom used after that. The book did the proclaiming and the teaching, we just read the questions off and listened to the answers.”
**************************************************************************Was this not sometimes referred to as a “systematic” study of the Bible? Once the householder accepted one point, another point was layered on top with “proofs” and illustrations to support. Some points were relatively easy to prove and the proofs were actually overkill. The student would have to almost say: “I get it! I get it!” But, this overkill was merely setting up the more speculative points for acceptance, as by that time, some credibility had been established, a comfort level. The “teacher” might simply say: “You will find these cited texts most interesting in establishing when the last days began.”
TMS
ps: Tanalyst, Yes, 253,922 of us crammed into Yankee Stadium and the Polo Grounds for the 1958 assembly. Hope you hadn’t forgotten that!
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Human Nature
by TMS ini always thought i could sell.. when i learned that a brother owned the state distributorship for wynns automotive additives and needed a salesman, i called.. g.t.
met me on my lunch hour, driving the new 1970 buick he had just won in a national sales contest and explained the program: 25% straight commission as a self-employed sales operative.. the following monday, i met g.t.
at the warehouse.
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Thank you, Waiting
Noting your gentle correction on that other thread. I don't know where I got saddle blocks. Ok. Mounting blocks.
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Human Nature
by TMS ini always thought i could sell.. when i learned that a brother owned the state distributorship for wynns automotive additives and needed a salesman, i called.. g.t.
met me on my lunch hour, driving the new 1970 buick he had just won in a national sales contest and explained the program: 25% straight commission as a self-employed sales operative.. the following monday, i met g.t.
at the warehouse.
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I always thought I could sell.
When I learned that a brother owned the state distributorship for Wynn’s Automotive Additives and needed a salesman, I called.
G.T. met me on my lunch hour, driving the new 1970 Buick he had just won in a national sales contest and explained the program: 25% straight commission as a self-employed sales operative.
The following Monday, I met G.T. at the warehouse. He had a friction machine that tested the friction protection of various oils, lubricants and additives. Compared to Wynn’s Friction Proofing, STP Oil Treatment was made to look like polymer oil thickener, nothing more. He used test tubes to demonstrate water displacement, burned various chemicals in saucers, etc. He was, of course, “selling” me on the products.
For the next three years I called on service stations, garages and car dealerships. I gave sales presentations at car dealerships, including the sales and parts managers and all the mechanics, selling them on the products and repeating all the catch phrases I had learned, even confidently overcoming objections. I sold hundreds of dollars worth each day, eventually cutting back to a three day week so I could get back on the pioneer list.
Then G.T. and the Wynn’s Corp. got into a dispute. G.T. called them “hypocrites , even revealing what was actually in the products. Engine Tune-up was a solvent, Carburetor Cleaner was methanol, Radiator Stop Leak, cellulose, etc.
My next work day was slow getting started. I pulled into a coffee shop, bought a newspaper and ordered breakfast. I got to my first call about 10:00 am, instead of my usual 8:00. “Do you need any Wynn’s?” I mumbled at each stop. I sold zero that day and called my wife to tell her I was quitting.
G.T. waived off the usual post-employment inventory as I unloaded the product out of my truck. No acrimony. No hard feelings. We shook hands. His wife was upset. “I told him not to tell you what was in that stuff!”
I left the additive business in 1973 cuz I no longer believed, just as OldHippie, Frenchy and JT left the elder business.
Human nature.
To think that there are many elders who remain despite disbelief implies a basic sinister dishonesty that I have never seen and I’ve known hundreds of elders.
When the presiding overseer gets his new KM, he sees the 20 min. Q&A “Will You Pioneer in April?” and promptly assigns it to the young MS. The PO knows he’s not pioneering this April or next. The MS, in handling the part, announces his spring plans and asks the audience “Will you join me?” Neither man feels like a hypocrite.
Human nature.
My experience tells me that this tiny aspect of Amnesian’s well-articulated essay is simply not true.
I didn’t buy everything Bildad, the Shuhite, was selling, either. Amnesian’s arguments are taller than those of that infamous Biblical short man.
TMS
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THE EX-[ELDERS] FILES: EYES WIDE SHUT
by AMNESIAN in(dont let the title scare or piss you off.
stay with it to the end---even if it takes you a while---and then, if you wish, by all means get pissed as you wanna be.
(final edit, thursday, january 10, 2002, 11:00 a.m. pst, usa).
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SixofNine: "Now somebody slap me and call me bitch for being so niave, but are there really enough elders out there who "know" for us to be having this conversation?"
Six,
I think I expressed that thought to TeeJay last night in the Farewell from Amazing thread, although I'm too lazy to refresh my recollection.It might be more accurate to say that we should have known.
Amnesian, would it be too forward to ask how your husband feels about his 25 year role? Does he feel guilty or does he rationalize his participation?
TMS
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THE EX-[ELDERS] FILES: EYES WIDE SHUT
by AMNESIAN in(dont let the title scare or piss you off.
stay with it to the end---even if it takes you a while---and then, if you wish, by all means get pissed as you wanna be.
(final edit, thursday, january 10, 2002, 11:00 a.m. pst, usa).
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Sister A:
You've just served up one of those 64oz. steaks they offer FREE in Abilene to anyone who can finish it.
Well, I finished it, so I guess I'll just leave a small tip and walk out. May take a while to digest, though.
U admit the WTBS has a fine "P" program! I lamely tried to insinuate this in a post a few months back: "The Retractable Dangling Carrot".
All facetiousness aside, all during my Theocratic career, I subconsciously distanced myself from Bethel. Never toured. Never read the minutes of a business meeting. In retrospect, I think I feared having my illusion shattered.
Culpably yours,
TMS