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  JW email making the rounds: He doesn't serve Jehovah

  by truthseeker in

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  this is making the rounds.

  he doesn't serve jehovah.

  i'd like to tell you a story, about true love at last.

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  The deeper you dig, the more crazyer it gets... talk about sick fucks
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  Attention Governing Body: October 2, 2014 is only 940 days away...

  by Alfred in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in 1823, john aquila brown (a man who is not mentioned in any wt publication) came up with a bizarre mathematical calculation which totalled 2,520 years (in an unauthorized attempt to predict the end of the gentile times).... several religions recycled this bizarre calculation, including the adventists and the bible students... when armageddon didn't come on the variety of early 20th century dates predicted by several "dooms-day" religions of that time (including charles taze russell's bible students who predicted that the big a would start in 1914), they all finally realized that this 2,520-year calculation was nothing more than arbitrary mathematical speculation derived from erratic biblical extrapolation.... except for the bible students who continued to move up the date for armageddon 2 more times (1918, 1925) and then decided to use wwi as the starting point for the "last days".. all the while, one thing that seems to remain intact is the october 2, 1914 date.

  oddly, for the watchtower bible & tract publishing cult, this particular date still marks the end of the 2,520-year period (that john aquila brown referred to in his bizarre 1823 book "the even tide")... again, no mention of this in any watchtower publication.

  but, for jws, that date still remains the starting point for the period of time often referred to as the "last days" or even "the generation that shall not pass".. because of this, the governing body has been forced to change the definition of "the generation that shall not pass" countless times since the early 1970's.

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  We are still alive and no Armageddon
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  my first post! (long read sorry in advance)

  by Letts Party in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  long time lurker, first time poster here finally looking to get some things off my chest.

  i've always been a very curious person with tons of questions about everything, and i also care deeply particularly about societal issues like social injustice, racism, and homophobia.

  that, coupled with how boneheaded all the elders in my congregation are (except for one), led me to ask even more questions that led me to find ttatt.. .

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  Welcome! Your story is almost like mine.

  I was baptized as a young teenager, and although I was always viewed as a great example in the congregation, my closest friends and I were leading what would be labeled as "double lives" by the borg. Drinking, partying, having "worldly" girlfriends at school. Not to say I didn't feel terribly guilty about this. Every time "double life" was brought up at conventions, I knew that's exactly what I was guilty of, but I never had the courage nor the guts to "confess".

  This is just a method they use to control your emotions and make you do what they say. We can all live a normal life and have some fun, after all, all JW's sin

  Looking back, I thank god for the internet (yes, I said god… I’m still on the fence about that one)

  I think the best advice I can give you is to not be in any hurry to reach any conclusions. Have a look for names like, Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris and Bart Ehrman. The two major popular anti-theist books in recent years were "God is not great" by Hitchens and "The god delusion" by Dawkins.

  I read 1984 as a high school kid and even prided myself as a fan of this masterpiece.

  Oh the irony...

  My only question now is what to do??? My wife is a long time pioneer and heavily emotionally invested in the org.

  Love her and plant seeds

  On another note… apostates (is that what we call ourselves?

  For the people still inside but awake are called, closet apostates or the conscious class.

  Welcome andEnjoy the journey. Best wishes

  SUAVOJR
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  THEY'VE DONE IT!!!! The WBTS set a new date!

  by dmouse in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the latest watchtower, dec 15th 2003, is an out and out attack on the rank and file for dropping into a drowsy state spiritually.

  ok, so armageddon didn't come before the generation of 1914 grew old and died.

  but does that mean that the big a isn't near?

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  To remember is to live again
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  I'm curious about the Publisher Record Card.

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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  2. beliefs

  i was once told that a publisher had the right to examine their own record card.. what would happen if a publisher examined it and threw it out?.

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  they do send a letter of intro with the BOE's judgement of the one who moved.

  Internal ELDER gossip and by the way, they don't let you read or see this letter.
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  2015 special talk outline-A PROMISE OF PERFECT FAMILY HAPPINESS

  by suavojr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jw's are such a happy group .

  let's see how this talk addresses the internal issues that we find within the jw's such as:.

  courtesy of jwfacts.com.

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  As always jgnat with a great comment!

  At least my pastor when he did his family talk, did not guarantee perfect happiness. He likened the principles of a good marriage to the framework of a house. We are all still battered by storms.

  Now that is a talk I would love to hear!

  Reminds me how when I gave a talk a year ago (98% of the material taken from Christian Pastors) the R&F loved it! People actually had watery eyes while I was talking.
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  2015 special talk outline-A PROMISE OF PERFECT FAMILY HAPPINESS

  by suavojr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jw's are such a happy group .

  let's see how this talk addresses the internal issues that we find within the jw's such as:.

  courtesy of jwfacts.com.

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  Hey 2015 might be the last!!
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  2015 special talk outline-A PROMISE OF PERFECT FAMILY HAPPINESS

  by suavojr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jw's are such a happy group .

  let's see how this talk addresses the internal issues that we find within the jw's such as:.

  courtesy of jwfacts.com.

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  No Armageddon in sight and notice how they are not planning to talk about Jesus reign since 1914
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  2015 special talk outline-A PROMISE OF PERFECT FAMILY HAPPINESS

  by suavojr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jw's are such a happy group .

  let's see how this talk addresses the internal issues that we find within the jw's such as:.

  courtesy of jwfacts.com.

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  suavojr

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  2015 special talk outline-A PROMISE OF PERFECT FAMILY HAPPINESS

  by suavojr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jw's are such a happy group .

  let's see how this talk addresses the internal issues that we find within the jw's such as:.

  courtesy of jwfacts.com.

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  A PROMISE OF PERFECT FAMILY HAPPINESS

  Note to the speaker:

  Jehovah’s purpose to have one large happy human family without factions will soon be fulfilled by means of

  the Kingdom. Even now, application of Bible principles by individual families leads to peace and happiness. Give

  answers that first-time attenders can readily grasp. Also, strengthen the faith of those who are Jehovah’s

  Witnesses

  THE FAMILY—A DIVINE GIFT

  (3 min.)

  Jehovah expressed his purpose to fill the earth with a perfect human family

  [Read Genesis 1:26-28]

  What a wonderful prospect! (

  w14 1/15 8 pars. 3-6)

  The happiness found in family life is a gift from God (Ru 1:9; Ps 127:3)

  HOW FAMILY HAPPINESS WAS DISRUPTED

  (5 min.)

  The disruption of family happiness began when Satan rebelled against God

  Satan persuaded the first human couple and wicked angels to abandon their heavenly Father

  Instead of experiencing the unity and happiness that Jehovah had originally purposed, the human family as a

  whole is divided socially, religiously, and politically

  Within the family unit, we see dysfunction, stress, and unhappiness (2Ti 3:2, 3)

  Adam and Eve’s departure from Jehovah’s universal family has not only hurt our Creator deeply but has also

  brought pain, suffering, and death to all their descendants (Ge 3:16-19; Ec 8:9; Ro 5:12)

  HOW FAMILY HAPPINESS WILL BE RESTORED

  (5 min.)

  Our heavenly Father would never allow his purpose for an eternally happy human family to be thwarted by

  disloyal rebels

  Jehovah showed his fatherly love by including a prophecy of restoration while pronouncing judgment on the

  serpent, Satan

  [Read Genesis 3:15]

  God will use Jesus, the primary part of the “offspring,” to bring an end to Satan and undo the effects of Adam’s

  sin (Joh 3:16; 1Jo 3:8)

  By means of the ransom sacrifice of Jesus, “the last Adam,” all loyal descendants of ‘the first Adam’ will

  enjoy perfect family happiness forever (1Co 15:22, 45; Mt 20:28)

  Jehovah’s purpose for families will have been accomplished when Jesus hands everything back to his Father

  [Read 1 Corinthians 15:24-28]

  HOWCAN YOU HAVE A HAPPY FAMILY NOW?

  (14 min.)

  God provides guidelines for families that result in happiness when applied (Pr 3:5, 6; 4:1-4;

  fg 18-19)

  [Read Ephesians 5:28-32]

  Jehovah wants husbands and wives to be loyal to each other and to display unselfish

  love and to respect each other (Heb 13:4)

  [Read Ephesians 5:22-25, 33]

  Jesus’ headship over the congregation serves as a model for Christian husbands

  (1Pe 3:7)

  Husbands must show self-sacrificing love by providing for their family materially and taking the lead

  spiritually (De 6:5-7; 1Ti 5:8)

  [Read Ephesians 6:1-3]

  Children find happiness when they obey their parents and learn how to apply Bible

  principles (Ec 11:9, 10; 12:1)

  [Read Ephesians 6:4]

  A parent’s example in showing love for God will have a profound effect on his child

  For children to find lasting happiness, they must learn how to please their heavenly Father (2Ti 3:14, 15)

  A HAPPY GLOBAL FAMILYAT LAST!

  (3 min.)

  God’s promise of one united, happy global family will be realized (Ps 37:10, 11)

  Would you like to be included among the happy ones described at

  Psalm 89:15, 16? [Read]

  If so, we encourage you and your family to continue acquiring accurate knowledge of God’s will for families

  (Mt 5:3; Joh 17:3)

  By means of God’s Kingdom, “all the families of the earth will be blessed” as they experience God’s promise of

  eternal peace and happiness (Ac 3:25)

  [Adhere closely to the outlined material, and observe the indicated timing of each section. Not all cited texts

  need to be read or commented on. See

  Ministry School book, pp. 52-55, 166-169]

  A PROMISE OF PERFECT FAMILY HAPPINESS

  Note to the speaker:

  Jehovah’s purpose to have one large happy human family without factions will soon be fulfilled by means of

  the Kingdom. Even now, application of Bible principles by individual families leads to peace and happiness. Give

  answers that first-time attenders can readily grasp. Also, strengthen the faith of those who are Jehovah’s

  Witnesses

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