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  Awake! Magazine April 22 1970

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  was doing some research this evening and i think ive found possibly the most damaging awake magazine issue the jw's could have printed.

  april 22nd 1970. you can download the entire 1970 volume here: http://da-ip.getmyip.com:8080/pdf/old%20publications/?sort=d.

  in this issue, the watchtower calls other religions on their hypocrisy for changing doctrine, upbeat music in their services, the clergy meddling in worldly affairs (un anyone?

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  ab.ortega

  Rewrite of page 9, pars 2, 3

  
  

  The Effect

  The effect upon may devout Jehovah's Witnesses has been devastating. "All these years I thought it was a sin to eat any form of blood, " explained a housewife in the mid-western United States. "Now I suddenly find out it isn't a sin to take in blood fractions. That's hard to understand."

  If you are a Jehovah's Witness, can you understand how a practice that was considered by the Organization a "mortal sin" can suddenly be approved? If it was a sin five years ago, why is it not today? Many Jehovah's Witnesses cannot understand.
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  JWs and Field Service Attire

  by laverite in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this morning the jws are working my neighborhood.

  i have a birds eye view from my upstairs office.

  on my side of the street is three men with a baby in a stroller.

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  ab.ortega

  That's how I always dressed for service...hah.. Pretty normal here. Only some of the "older" people would sometimes wear a sport coat for service. Long sleeve shirt in 100+ degree weather, no thanks. Come to think of it, short sleeve with a tie looks weird. ....
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  Major congregational quake in Southern California

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.

  a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.

  the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.

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  It just dawned on me...

  A while back the LDC requested addresses of all publishers in each congregation to many of the congregations in our area. Of course, we sent it in not questioning what the data was for. We were later summoned to a meeting with all the elders from these congregations. The data was to see which congregations would benefit most from the new KH that would be going up through the LDC arrangement. It was interesting to see how they mapped out and color coded each home. (The showed it to us on screen)

  I wouldn't doubt it if this data was collected from all congregations through the LDC arrangement - thus no official watchtower letter. Perhaps they are using all this information for the purpose of sell offs, rather than new construction.

  Did any other congs. have to send in publisher addresses?
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  Elders letters depository

  by ab.ortega in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  out of curiousity - is there a site where we can read current letters to bodies of elders, etc.

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  ab.ortega

  Out of curiousity - is there a site where we can read current letters to bodies of elders, etc.?
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  Deleted Elders?

  by Farkel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i knew about elders being "deleted" and have commented what a strange and pejorative term that is, but it wasn't until "wtwizard" and "designs" commented on another thread about it that it actually hit home for me.. one cannot step down as an elder with any dignity!

  elder's can't quit, with the word "quit" being as in "he quit his job.

  " elder's can't resign as in "he resigned as chairman of the board for xyz corp.".

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  Indeed. If one steps down, it is the same announcement as if one is being removed. The JW mind is quick at making up reasons for the announcement. I would love to know what was said or concocted about me.... But oh well, I wasn't there to hear if there even was and announcement for me. And I will NEVER be going back. NEVER!
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  Song 151

  by ab.ortega in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  any idea what could have happened to song 151?

  what logical reason could they have had to skip a number.

  is the number 151 now an evil number accordig to new light?

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  ab.ortega

  These responses are hilariously creative!
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  Song 151

  by ab.ortega in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  any idea what could have happened to song 151?

  what logical reason could they have had to skip a number.

  is the number 151 now an evil number accordig to new light?

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  Any idea what could have happened to song 151? It never came in. What logical reason could they have had to skip a number. Is the number 151 now an evil number accordig to new light? hmmm.. Or maybe there was a 151 but it obviously infringed on a copyright so they pulled it?

  Did I miss something, I did a search but found nothing.
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  The UN Files - Print Out And Keep For Your Next JW Visitor

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i've been researching the wt and the un involvement.

  when i was still in and i first seen the un letter online, my cognitive dissonance kicked and i told myself it'll be a fake.

  an apostate lie.. and seeing as no jw i've spoken to has ever heard of it, and flatly deny any involvement "no, they wouldn't do that", i decided to do a little "personal study" of my own.

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  ab.ortega

  Nice post.
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  Hideout for predator

  by ab.ortega in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i read this comment posted on a news site: .

  if the police show up at the kingdom hall looking for a sexual predator, the elders will escort them out an emergency exist and tell them to "hide out until the coast is clear.".

  is this true, is there printed instructions to support it?

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  I read this comment posted on a news site:

  If the police show up at the Kingdom Hall looking for a sexual predator, the elders will escort them out an emergency exist and tell them to "hide out until the coast is clear."

  Is this true, is there printed instructions to support it? Or is it hearsay?
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  JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES WANT IT BOTH WAYS

  by Perry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when individuals leave the organization for conscience reasons, it is evidence that god is shepherding and protecting the flock by doing a sifting work.

  when people leave another christian religion it is evidence that the religion is morally corrupt and unable or unwilling to provide spiritually for their members.

  when a christian from another denomination lies, he is acting according to his own disposition being from the father of the lie.

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  ab.ortega

  Thanks for bumping Vanderhoven7. An interesting read.