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  Trevor: Meditation

  by onacruse in

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  2. beliefs

  in one type of meditation the mind is able to be fully conscious without he intrusion of words, which lead to thoughts,.

  trevor, i'm not trying to get on your ass here, but, please.... thoughts without words?

  that is a fundamental epistemological impossibility...rather like farting without emitting gas.. or, perhaps, we're talking about a purely personal "mystical" experience, which cannot be put into (and did not spring from, nor finds any possible formulation within) words?

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  Onacruse

  From your comments on this thread and the other thread you started it does seem that you are having a difficult time at the moment and you have been given some good advise by other posters.

  Most of our anxiety and frustration is caused by the activity of our minds, and our emotional resistance to our circumstances. Having accepted our circumstances and acknowledged a need to make changes, the mind has to be used in a constructive way.

  It is not enough to allow a succession of vaguely connected thoughts of a negative nature to flow through our mind. The fact that our mind may be full of thoughts does not mean we are thinking. Before we can move from random thought to constructive thought the mind has to change direction. To do this it has to stop.

  Meditation is not about doing something, it is about developing the ability to stop doing something.

  It is like a child running around a room shouting and crying and working himself up into a state. Before he can use his mind constructively he has to Stop - sit down and be Silent for a moment. Meditation is that moment. It is like a quiet voice that says to the child, ‘thats enough.’ Children will not stop that easily and neither will our minds. It takes practise.

  I hope you find a way forward and learn to enjoy the peace that is within your grasp.

  trevor
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  CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOUR EMOTIONS accurately???

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  many people don't know why they "feel" what they feel.

  they fall in love with the wrong person.

  they cry unexpectedly.

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  Terry provides a wake up call for all those who are confused and have have lost 'their grip,' 'the plot,' and can't rise above confusion and frustration.

  This approach is not the whole answer to the complicated relationship between reasoning and emotion but it is darn good place to start. It shows the value of taking responsibility for our emotional state of mind and realizing that we have far more control than we realize.

  Coupled that with the ability to consciously switch of the powerful motor of the mind, when it overheats, and we have a winning formula.
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  Why Is There a Seemingly Large Percentage of X JW Jerks?

  by XJW4EVR in

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  2. friends

  this is something i posted on minimus' "looked down" thread, and thought i would split it off into another topic.. so why is there a seemingly large number of x-jw jerks in cyberspace?.

  longhairedgal wrote this:.

  i know ex-dubs can be pretty bad.

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  hillbilly

  it would seem that many natural born jerks would show up out here in EXJW cyberspace...

  Smile when you tell me that
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  Why Is There a Seemingly Large Percentage of X JW Jerks?

  by XJW4EVR in

  1. jw
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  this is something i posted on minimus' "looked down" thread, and thought i would split it off into another topic.. so why is there a seemingly large number of x-jw jerks in cyberspace?.

  longhairedgal wrote this:.

  i know ex-dubs can be pretty bad.

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  Following on from the point already made that facial expressions make a difference to the intention of a statement...

  In the old Western series 'The Virginian' - Trampus is playing cards with The Virginian who lays down a winning hand. Trampus says, 'son of a bitch.'

  The Virginian studies his face for a while and quietly says, 'smile when you call me that.'
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  Trevor: Meditation

  by onacruse in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in one type of meditation the mind is able to be fully conscious without he intrusion of words, which lead to thoughts,.

  trevor, i'm not trying to get on your ass here, but, please.... thoughts without words?

  that is a fundamental epistemological impossibility...rather like farting without emitting gas.. or, perhaps, we're talking about a purely personal "mystical" experience, which cannot be put into (and did not spring from, nor finds any possible formulation within) words?

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  Onacruse

  I have been out and not had time to reply. There is no need to apologise at all. We are all free to question, criticise and debate on the board.

  What I am describing is not a mystical experience and has nothing to do with spirituality, belief or prayer. It is simply the understanding that being asleep or awake and thinking are not the only two gears the mind has.

  There are other of states of mind. Hypnosis shows how easily the thinking mind can be altered by digging a little below the surface. Thinking is a most important tool but it can also cause neurosis and other anxiety problems when a person has not learned to control the intensity of the thought process.

  The comments others have made on this thread are helpful and there is plenty of information on this much debated and misunderstood subject.
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  Trevor: Meditation

  by onacruse in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in one type of meditation the mind is able to be fully conscious without he intrusion of words, which lead to thoughts,.

  trevor, i'm not trying to get on your ass here, but, please.... thoughts without words?

  that is a fundamental epistemological impossibility...rather like farting without emitting gas.. or, perhaps, we're talking about a purely personal "mystical" experience, which cannot be put into (and did not spring from, nor finds any possible formulation within) words?

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  Onacruse

  You have quoted from my comment on Terry’s thread entitled:

  ‘The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?’

  Why you have chosen to start a new thread using a partial quote instead of simply adding a comment to Terry’s thread and continuing the consistency of the matter in hand gives me an insight in to your motivation.

  My comments were designed to help not to challenge or gain attention.

  As this is your thread I will leave you to explain your point.
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  Trevor: Meditation

  by onacruse in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in one type of meditation the mind is able to be fully conscious without he intrusion of words, which lead to thoughts,.

  trevor, i'm not trying to get on your ass here, but, please.... thoughts without words?

  that is a fundamental epistemological impossibility...rather like farting without emitting gas.. or, perhaps, we're talking about a purely personal "mystical" experience, which cannot be put into (and did not spring from, nor finds any possible formulation within) words?

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  Trevor

  , I'm not trying to get on your ass here, but, please...Thoughts without words? That is a fundamental epistemological impossibility...rather like farting without emitting gas.

  Actually I said:

  In one type of meditation the mind is able to be fully conscious without the intrusion of words, which lead to thoughts.

  The whole point is to not allow words to enter the mind and start the thought process. It is the space that this uncovers that makes it possible to return to a default setting of calmness and peace. It is what silence is to noise. Sometimes this state of mind can cause emotions to enter the mind that have been held back by the activity of word driven thought. People who first attempt meditation find a lot of debris rising to the surface.

  It is not rocket science, in fact it is not science at all. It is about developing the ability to still the thinking process and make room for the awareness of the other factors that may be affecting our lives.

  I have nothing to sell or prove here just something to share which will no doubt bypass many people. If you ever achieve the state of mind I am explaining then will be words redundant.
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  The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?

  by Terry in

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  history has demonstrated:.

  religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.. science asks questions.. religion purports to answer questions.. science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.. religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.. science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.. religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.. science is the most recent development of the human mind.

  technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.. religion disdains human progress and waits for the end.

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  Terry

  I have chosen to comment because no one else has, after your very moving and personal revelation about your son. I am sorry to hear of the difficulties he is experiencing.

  It seems that your son has inherited your driven mind. Instead of that mental power running in a straight line as yours appears to it can turn in a circle. Like a dog chasing it’s own tail. Compulsive obsessive disorder is one of the hardest conditions to treat and often occurs as boys turn into men. The more pressure the mind is put under to change the more anxious it becomes.

  In one type of meditation the mind is able to be fully conscious without he intrusion of words, which lead to thoughts, which start the pattern again. There is a moment when the mind stands still in full consciousness and in that moment the cycle is broken. Sleep will not achieve this. It has to be done in a fully conscious state.

  There is an ebb and a flow to thought and a point of stillness between the two. People with very active minds find it difficult to achieve this or see the point of it and that is why it benefits them the most.

  Many people have explained this better than I can, including Narkissos and James Thomas. My thoughts are not new and have strong attachments to eastern religion which is the foundation of psychotherapy due to people like Fritz Perls and his concept of Gestalt Therapy?

  I have some idea of what you will think of my suggestion, knowing your views on meditation and the mental health profession. Sometimes the answers we seek are found in that which we resist. I don’t expect you to agree or appreciate my comments but sometimes we have to say what we feel - that is something I think you will understand!

  trevor
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  Science vs. Religion - Must We Choose Between Them?

  by bavman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i dare to say science and religion are two different animals.

  they may try to explain similar things but in different ways.

  i don't believe man will ever live without either religion or science nor would i want us too.

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  RAF: And I like opposition as much as agreement, it's good ... we need to challenge our views. Sometimes I'm waiting for the argument which will have an impact on my view

  With this outlook you are likely to find the answers that you are looking for.

  We can only entertain other peoples viewpoint when we are ready to be challenged andprepared to make changes if proved wrong. No one can be made to change, they must be ready.
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  Survey on science, astrology, aliens & article

  by Madame Quixote in

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  2. current

  http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/us-beliefs-in-pseudoscience-worry/20070217212109990001?ncid=nws00010000000001

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  anyway of course aliens can exists (probably they do).

  Proof?

  They have blue bodies and stand with their back to the light. I have seen photos.