Posts by trevor

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One Reason Why I Worship the God of the Bible

by snowbird in

while this may be construed as a rebuttal to nvr's thread re: why i post about atheism, that is not my intent.. it is my intent, however, to show how i developed a belief in and love for the god of the bible.. my paternal grandfather, who died before i was born, was a baptist preacher, so you could say i cut my teeth on the bible.

i loved having it read to me, and once i learned how, reading it for myself.

i'm convinced that spirituality runs deep in my blood.. i've always had such a strong sense of right and wrong that injustices make me literally sick.

trevor

You claim 'that trying to please Jehovah is a fools fools' errand so you have gone for the soft option of just having faith in Jesus, that nice man from Galilee with the sandals. Yet the imperfect Abraham saw the importance of pleasing God and succeeded.

According to the bible passages that you carefully selected, he did this with believe or faith alone. Remember that 'faith without works is dead.'

Remember that warm and fuzzy feeling you had after field service? It was just your vanity, that's all.

Perry has it occurred to you that you are still driven by vanity but have found a way to get that warm and fuzzy feeling without the effort of knocking on doors or trying to please God. When I say God, I mean the same God that Jesus tried to please.

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One Reason Why I Worship the God of the Bible

by snowbird in

while this may be construed as a rebuttal to nvr's thread re: why i post about atheism, that is not my intent.. it is my intent, however, to show how i developed a belief in and love for the god of the bible.. my paternal grandfather, who died before i was born, was a baptist preacher, so you could say i cut my teeth on the bible.

i loved having it read to me, and once i learned how, reading it for myself.

i'm convinced that spirituality runs deep in my blood.. i've always had such a strong sense of right and wrong that injustices make me literally sick.

trevor

Thanks Terry for replying to Perry.

I would simply like to add that Abraham was prepared to offer his only son to Jehovah to please him. According to the bible - it worked. He did not consider himself on a fool's errand, nor did his God Jehovah. That is if we take all these ancient biblical stories seriuosly.

They can be found in many cultures and many religions but they all add up to a waste of words.

I always enjoy your posts and the reason and logic that you bring to this forum.

It's Saturday nigh here in the UK and I am of out to drink with sinners and tax-payers

trevor

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One Reason Why I Worship the God of the Bible

by snowbird in

while this may be construed as a rebuttal to nvr's thread re: why i post about atheism, that is not my intent.. it is my intent, however, to show how i developed a belief in and love for the god of the bible.. my paternal grandfather, who died before i was born, was a baptist preacher, so you could say i cut my teeth on the bible.

i loved having it read to me, and once i learned how, reading it for myself.

i'm convinced that spirituality runs deep in my blood.. i've always had such a strong sense of right and wrong that injustices make me literally sick.

trevor

Perry: I found out that 'pleasing Jehovah" was a fool's errand. That's why I asked Jesus to save me.

And yet Jesus said to his father 'Let this cup pass but not as I will but as you will.' He tried to please his father.

Before him Abraham, the first man of faith, tried to please Jehovah and was counted righteous.

Presumably you have found a way of interpreting away the obvious conclusion that these men were fools?

Let me help you out here. Most of your Christian friends on this board just tear the inconvinent pages out of their bibles to arrive at a sweet religion that gives them a warm cuddly feeling. Their biggest enemy is not the Devil, apparently he is not literal either, it is logic that they fear.

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One Reason Why I Worship the God of the Bible

by snowbird in

while this may be construed as a rebuttal to nvr's thread re: why i post about atheism, that is not my intent.. it is my intent, however, to show how i developed a belief in and love for the god of the bible.. my paternal grandfather, who died before i was born, was a baptist preacher, so you could say i cut my teeth on the bible.

i loved having it read to me, and once i learned how, reading it for myself.

i'm convinced that spirituality runs deep in my blood.. i've always had such a strong sense of right and wrong that injustices make me literally sick.

trevor

Snowbird you are fun.

Have a great weekend

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One Reason Why I Worship the God of the Bible

by snowbird in

while this may be construed as a rebuttal to nvr's thread re: why i post about atheism, that is not my intent.. it is my intent, however, to show how i developed a belief in and love for the god of the bible.. my paternal grandfather, who died before i was born, was a baptist preacher, so you could say i cut my teeth on the bible.

i loved having it read to me, and once i learned how, reading it for myself.

i'm convinced that spirituality runs deep in my blood.. i've always had such a strong sense of right and wrong that injustices make me literally sick.

trevor

Snowbird

I realize now I should have taken you seriously when you made the following statement early on in this thread.

Logic only takes me so far; faith does the rest.

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One Reason Why I Worship the God of the Bible

by snowbird in

while this may be construed as a rebuttal to nvr's thread re: why i post about atheism, that is not my intent.. it is my intent, however, to show how i developed a belief in and love for the god of the bible.. my paternal grandfather, who died before i was born, was a baptist preacher, so you could say i cut my teeth on the bible.

i loved having it read to me, and once i learned how, reading it for myself.

i'm convinced that spirituality runs deep in my blood.. i've always had such a strong sense of right and wrong that injustices make me literally sick.

trevor

Snowbird: My statement was in reference to those who may view His past actions as monstrous. There are others who view the same actions as salvation for His people.

Every time you speak you make the hole you are digging yourself into, a little bigger.

Perhaps you should think a little more about the logic of what you are saying before you post. Unless, of course, that is something that religious people are not equipped to do.

Trevor

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One Reason Why I Worship the God of the Bible

by snowbird in

while this may be construed as a rebuttal to nvr's thread re: why i post about atheism, that is not my intent.. it is my intent, however, to show how i developed a belief in and love for the god of the bible.. my paternal grandfather, who died before i was born, was a baptist preacher, so you could say i cut my teeth on the bible.

i loved having it read to me, and once i learned how, reading it for myself.

i'm convinced that spirituality runs deep in my blood.. i've always had such a strong sense of right and wrong that injustices make me literally sick.

trevor

Snowbird: One person's monster is another person's Savior.

The same was said about Hitler.

Some people’s morals will not allow them to endorse the deity described in the Bible.

Still I admire your honest in admitting that you choose to worship a monster because you believe he has something you want - Salvation.

Trevor

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One Reason Why I Worship the God of the Bible

by snowbird in

while this may be construed as a rebuttal to nvr's thread re: why i post about atheism, that is not my intent.. it is my intent, however, to show how i developed a belief in and love for the god of the bible.. my paternal grandfather, who died before i was born, was a baptist preacher, so you could say i cut my teeth on the bible.

i loved having it read to me, and once i learned how, reading it for myself.

i'm convinced that spirituality runs deep in my blood.. i've always had such a strong sense of right and wrong that injustices make me literally sick.

trevor

So, you love a god who is: racist, genocidal, killer of infants, angry all the time, prone to temper tantrums (like when he swept all the pieces off the table because he was losing the bet he made with Satan. I'm referring to the flood, Sodom and Gomorra, Job and a few other stories, myths and legends.)
Continuing: making rape victims marry their rapist, having children stoned to death by their own parents for being rebellious (when he designed teenagers specifically to be rebellious, which is a natural stage of development), has a weird sense of justice and forgiveness in that he must slaughter someone (his son or some beast) before he can forgive, came not to bring peace, but the sword, tortures people for all eternity for sins they make in one lifetime, invented disease, invented war and repeatedly recommends that his people wage it even though he could easily solve problems peacefully (him being all powerful and such). Anyone else want to pick up this list where I left off?

Snowbird.

Earlier in the thread you made a request when you said ‘Please enumerate any God-approved injustices found in the Bible. Thank you.’

Perhaps you should go back to page one and remind yourself that 83501nwahs took the trouble to provide you with the information, posted above, that you missed when you were reading your Bible.

Trevor

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Religious Tolerance

by WTWizard in

religion.

we all have some idea of it.

some profess no religion.

trevor

WTwizard

This in an interesting and apt post. Among other things you say:

They should be free to rationally debate and discuss their religion with people that have different religious beliefs,

I agree with this. The difficulty is that all religions are based on faith. Faith cannot be debated rationally because it not based on evidence but on belief. If it is Christianity that is being debated, in order to find something tangible to analise most discussion end up examining the Bible, .

As soon as the bible is shown to be unreliable and contradictory many of the Christian persuasion then claim that the Bible is not to be taken literally and it is not necessary to believe it to be a Christian. Or if passages portraying God as a violent despot are quoted, they dismiss those inconvenient passages and say all you need is Faith. Or love if you believe 'the Beatles.'

So we come back to this slippery emotion called faith that is based on nothing but a warm feeling and - well - Faith!

Anyone who needs a little more to go on is attacked for lacking Faith and accused of having no morals. Even those like myself who admit that they honestly don't know what God is or much about him/her/it are dismissed as 'lukewarm' or uneducated.

In the end it leaves little left to discuss rationally. So it is back to Bible bashing and pointing out contradictions in peoples beliefs. It is a rather pointless exercise. The only entertainment value is when it gets a bit heated and the big noises kick off and and start winding each other up.

Nothing will ever be settled because people with beliefs, believe what they need to and have not the slightest interest in truth. So whats new?

Trevor

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Did you have any ''dirty creepy old men'' in your congro?

by karter in

we had one always had his hands on the sisters and would stare at there brests all the time .

any new sisters were ''new meat'' lost count off the times he was told off by the elders

trevor

We had a 'Dirty' creepy young man.

I was assigned to tactfully enlighten him on the benefits of soap.