Posts by trevor

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Secret of Forgiveness of Sins

by brofromzion in

is god a loving god?

does he enjoy seeing his children in pain?

sorrow?

You talk with great authority but there is not a shred of proof for anything you say. You could just as easily be relating as fact the story of a frog that was kissed by a princess and became a prince.

You claim that god: breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

Presumably he did the same for all animals so they also contain spirit which will return to god or heaven. So they too have lived in heaven with god.

Or do animals just head North when they die, to reside with Santa Clause and his reindeer friends?

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What's the official stand on aliens

by Eh in

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do the jw's officially have a stand on whether there is or can be intelligent physical life outside our planet?

would contact from or evidence of alien life fit in to what jw's believe and teach?

have they paved the way for the possibility that life may be found elsewhere in our solar system - intelligent or otherwise?

trevor

To clear this matter up let me remind you all -

It is generally accepted that Jehovah's witnesses are from another planet.

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Reasons why i can't worship the God of the bible...

by digderidoo in

the following scriptures given show the reasons why i cannot worship the god of the bible.

call him jehovah, yahweh, yhwh, lord, father, jesus, whatever you will.

the passages are taken from the new world translation, because we are all familiar with it and also it was the only one i really had at hand.. gen 3:16 ... " to the woman he said: 'i shall greatly increase the pain of your pregnancy; in birth pangs you will bring forth children, and your craving will be for your husband, and he will dominate you.

trevor

Perry thanks for your reply.

If according to you - truth is to always forgive people 'because they know not what they do,' then we should always strive to show mercy because ‘they know not what they do.’ God should have always shown such mercy because he is suppose to be unchangeable and so is truth.

According to your beliefs he waited for four thousand years to provide a basis that allowed him to show mercy. This means that for all those years, the truth. ‘Forgive them they know not what they do,’ was not applied. Forgiveness was not available. When it became available it was conditional.

If God’s mercy and our mercy is conditional then forgiveness is not an absolute truth for God or moral people.

Our morality is then for us to decide and being human we are likely to allow self interest and our emotion to affect our moral decisions. I personally think that is the right way forward but it is not what you are proposing because would mean that morality is negotiable.

We are unlikely to see eye to eye on this matter because your logic is based on your faith. My reason for debating with you is to challenge your presumption that those of us who do not accept your God or beliefs are somehow less moral.

You are a good sport - Take Care

trevor

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Reasons why i can't worship the God of the bible...

by digderidoo in

the following scriptures given show the reasons why i cannot worship the god of the bible.

call him jehovah, yahweh, yhwh, lord, father, jesus, whatever you will.

the passages are taken from the new world translation, because we are all familiar with it and also it was the only one i really had at hand.. gen 3:16 ... " to the woman he said: 'i shall greatly increase the pain of your pregnancy; in birth pangs you will bring forth children, and your craving will be for your husband, and he will dominate you.

trevor

You are confusing justice and mercy here. Justice demands punishment. Mercy has no such requirement, else it wouldn't be mercy...get it?

Perry, you accuse Atheists of playing word games. Justice and mercy are just words.

If truth is, "Forgive them, for they no not what they do," Then a loving merciful God would always forgive.

If truth is demanding justice then he would always punish.

There can only be one true standard. Otherwise you are saying that God can apply a double standard as it suits him to. In that case your claim that, "Forgive them, for they no not what they do," is truth, becomes subjective.

Truth can never be subjective. It has to be unchangeable as you claim your God is. The Bible demonstrates that this is not the case.

I am not critical of your belief in a God - just that God. If you are going to lecture us all on morality and truth you need to be consistent and logical. We don’t want you to end up looking foolish.

trevor

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Reasons why i can't worship the God of the bible...

by digderidoo in

the following scriptures given show the reasons why i cannot worship the god of the bible.

call him jehovah, yahweh, yhwh, lord, father, jesus, whatever you will.

the passages are taken from the new world translation, because we are all familiar with it and also it was the only one i really had at hand.. gen 3:16 ... " to the woman he said: 'i shall greatly increase the pain of your pregnancy; in birth pangs you will bring forth children, and your craving will be for your husband, and he will dominate you.

trevor

Perry you talk a lot of words with absolute authority but in reality add up to nothing more than rhetoric.

Moral truth doesn't originate with man, but Jesus told us what truth is on the cross. "Forgive them, for they no not what they do."

Unlike morals, truth is not negotiable. Why did God not apply the truth that you have quoted and forgive Adam and Eve?

Why did God not apply that truth and forgive the Israelites instead of demanding an eye for an eye and death for something as trivial as kindling a fire on the Sabbath?

You see there is no consistency in your God’s morals or rules. You talk the talk on behalf of your Biblical God but you fail to walk the walk when facts are introduced.

To call people who have a more generous world view introverted, is rather rich coming from you. Don’t you ever get tired of all that egotistical noise going on in your head?

trevor

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Reasons why i can't worship the God of the bible...

by digderidoo in

the following scriptures given show the reasons why i cannot worship the god of the bible.

call him jehovah, yahweh, yhwh, lord, father, jesus, whatever you will.

the passages are taken from the new world translation, because we are all familiar with it and also it was the only one i really had at hand.. gen 3:16 ... " to the woman he said: 'i shall greatly increase the pain of your pregnancy; in birth pangs you will bring forth children, and your craving will be for your husband, and he will dominate you.

trevor

Perry says: You can't change your premise in the middle of a line of reasoning. That isn't logical.

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One Reason Why I Worship the God of the Bible

by snowbird in

while this may be construed as a rebuttal to nvr's thread re: why i post about atheism, that is not my intent.. it is my intent, however, to show how i developed a belief in and love for the god of the bible.. my paternal grandfather, who died before i was born, was a baptist preacher, so you could say i cut my teeth on the bible.

i loved having it read to me, and once i learned how, reading it for myself.

i'm convinced that spirituality runs deep in my blood.. i've always had such a strong sense of right and wrong that injustices make me literally sick.

trevor

Our God is awesome....he is our daddy.

Perry. How old are you?

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Reinventing the Sacred --- A New View of Science, Reason and Religion?

by hamilcarr in

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i've just finished one of the most awesome non-fiction books i've ever read.

it's entitled 'reinventing the sacred: a new view of science, reason and religion' and written by stuart kauffman, well known for his theories on the origin of life and other complex systems, and author of the highly acclaimed 'origins of order', a must read for anyone interested in contemporary post-darwinian biology.

in rts, kauffman tries to transcend the huge divide between secular humanists and those believing in a transcendent god by exposing the inadequacies of both world views.

trevor

Personally I think that the way ‘God’ is portrayed in the bible is one of the main reasons many people claim to be Atheists.

Once we step outside of such a limited view and apply the knowledge that the modern world has, we can start to put together a much more plausible understanding of what is taking place in the universe.

There does appear to be a unifying intelligence at work but how that intelligence works needs careful open minded observation.

Closed minded Westernised religion stands in the way of progress. We need to clear our minds of Old and new Testament tales so we can form an acurate and scietific view of what is really going on. Maybe we will end up calling that force 'God' but perhaps it would be better to think up a new name.

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One Reason Why I Worship the God of the Bible

by snowbird in

while this may be construed as a rebuttal to nvr's thread re: why i post about atheism, that is not my intent.. it is my intent, however, to show how i developed a belief in and love for the god of the bible.. my paternal grandfather, who died before i was born, was a baptist preacher, so you could say i cut my teeth on the bible.

i loved having it read to me, and once i learned how, reading it for myself.

i'm convinced that spirituality runs deep in my blood.. i've always had such a strong sense of right and wrong that injustices make me literally sick.

trevor

XJW4EVR

I have stayed out of this thread because so many of the atheists on this board have taken the Hitchens method. Basically it is to not debate, but instead to throw vile and disgusting insults at Christians. That's fine. I do not respond to that sort of attack. If an atheist wishes to discuss the existence of God in civilized and gracious manner then I will participate.

There have been a few harsh exchanges but for the most part the exchange of views has been civil and sensible. Why not just address the posters who are polite?

By the way, just because someone does not accept God as portrayed in the Bible does not automatically make them an Atheist. For example, the original American Indians had faith and believed that everything contained a spirit including the wind. They honoured these forces and believed in an afterlife. Look what the way the Christians who invaded America treated them, calling them savages.

Christians themselves have a very poor record when it comes to tolerating other religions and are not in a position to take the moral high ground.

‘Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.’

trevor

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Jesus Saves

by Farkel in

prove it.. farkel.

trevor

I hope he is getting a better rate of interest than me.