conflicted,
America was a democracy in the 50s, yes? Ask a black person living in the south what it was like.
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I D Cards First Step Down Slippery Slope?
by Englishman inthe uk government has announced that it is very serious about making it compulsory for citizens to carry an id card in view of the risk of subversive activity increasing.
it seems to me that this is the thin edge of the wedge.
i spent years trying to get out of a repressive organisation, and then even more years getting that organisations brain-washing out of my head.
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The Bible advances women's rights
by Rex B13 inour forum's now chapter likes to slander christian believers over alleged poor treatment of women.
in truth, the bible advanced women's rights in the ancient world, even in a paternalistic society.
here are the results of research into this topic.. num 5.12--the trial of bitter waters (sotah) is a an amazing provision by god for a woman to publicly clear her name (and indict a dysfunctional husband in the process).
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I D Cards First Step Down Slippery Slope?
by Englishman inthe uk government has announced that it is very serious about making it compulsory for citizens to carry an id card in view of the risk of subversive activity increasing.
it seems to me that this is the thin edge of the wedge.
i spent years trying to get out of a repressive organisation, and then even more years getting that organisations brain-washing out of my head.
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Right Rex,
And if you've lost your ID card you'll be forced to drink warm mud. If it makes you swell up, lose the power of your reproductive organs and generally gag, then you get shot on the spot. Otherwise you have to wait 6 months to get a new one.
Of course, if women lose theirs, and if they are virgins then the arresting officer first gets to have his wicked way with them before the mud treatment.
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I D Cards First Step Down Slippery Slope?
by Englishman inthe uk government has announced that it is very serious about making it compulsory for citizens to carry an id card in view of the risk of subversive activity increasing.
it seems to me that this is the thin edge of the wedge.
i spent years trying to get out of a repressive organisation, and then even more years getting that organisations brain-washing out of my head.
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Here are a couple of good links, I think:
(scroll down to the article on ID cards and links just below the main commentary)
http://www.privacy.org/pi/activities/idcard/
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I D Cards First Step Down Slippery Slope?
by Englishman inthe uk government has announced that it is very serious about making it compulsory for citizens to carry an id card in view of the risk of subversive activity increasing.
it seems to me that this is the thin edge of the wedge.
i spent years trying to get out of a repressive organisation, and then even more years getting that organisations brain-washing out of my head.
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conflicted,
Maybe not storming into one's house. However, ID cards aren't there just as a way to establish ID when called for. After all, that exists already with different IDs being required in different arenas. Instead, the idea is that people can be asked to "show their papers" on demand. Essentially, the ID card is a "license" to be out and about in public. The flaw in the whole thing is that, as has been pointed out, everyone already has to show ID for certain things (boarding planes, driving etc.) If those forms of ID can be forged then why not National ID cards too? So, ID cards wouldn't accomplish much except to allow the authorities to question people as they saw fit. To begin with with it would no doubt be people who looked Middle Eastern who were stopped. After that, who knows? Certainly they would be a good way of keeping tabs on people concerned with civil rights, protesters of various kinds, etc.
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I D Cards First Step Down Slippery Slope?
by Englishman inthe uk government has announced that it is very serious about making it compulsory for citizens to carry an id card in view of the risk of subversive activity increasing.
it seems to me that this is the thin edge of the wedge.
i spent years trying to get out of a repressive organisation, and then even more years getting that organisations brain-washing out of my head.
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Even in the US one is not required to carry a driver's license (or any form of ID) unless one is driving. That seems to me to be the key difference between the various forms of ID that already exist for practical reasons and a national ID card. One could be asked to produce it under any circumstances and for no actual cause. Not carrying it would be an offense. Essentially the vulnerability to search and questioning that one voluntary accepts when one drives would extend to all other circumstances, such as just walking around.
In essence it allows the police to question anyone and, for that reason should be opposed. I agree with Eman; it is the thin end of the wedge.
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10/1 WT: Creative days = 7,000 years
by Seeker inthe fourth paragraph on page 30 in the october 1, 2001 wt says this:.
"getting back to paul's statement in hebrews, we note that he pointed out that "there remains a sabbath resting for the peoples of god," and he urged his fellow christians to do their utmost "to enter into that rest.
" this shows that when paul wrote those words, "the seventh day" of god's rest, which had started some 4,000 years earlier, was still in progress.
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Seeker,
Of course you are exactly correct. The WTS's own chronology definitely implies that the Society has run out of time. If the 7th Creative Day includes the Millennium then the period we are in must be razor thin.
These days JWs are so confused that, likely, few will recognize that the Society is engaging in its usual deception. Some older JWs will no doubt read it as you have described. Since the Creative Day (CD) = 7000 years teaching has not officially been rescinded, but has merely fallen into intentional disuse, then most older ones presumably still believe that. However, they have been trained out of stating bluntly that a CD = 7000 years. When they hear people say that a CD is "thousands of years long" they may take that to mean 7000 years, but they also recognize, perhaps subconciously that currently acceptable Theocratese forbids them from saying so. Again, they demonstrate their ability to hold two logically contradictory thoughts at the same time.
Newer ones will likely read see these words as general confirmation that we are "in the last days of the last days" without making the explicit connection to the previous, and more concrete, CD teaching. Thus, both groups go away encouraged. As usual the WTS is talking out of all four sides of its mouth.
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LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER
by You Know inperhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.
as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.
since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.
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Larc,
I think Robert is hoping against hope that he is not allowed to win his bet. He certainly doesn't want to lose it either. But imagine him having to write a letter to the Society explaining where the $100.00 came from, as he has promised he will do. I say let him, in fact, insist that he's won!
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LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER
by You Know inperhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.
as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.
since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.
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You Know,
: Did you know that it took 30 years for the stock market to recover from the 1929 crash?
People tend to follow the overall market (DOW etc) and ignore the fact that the indexes are re-balanced periodically so as to eliminate the companies that fail. This puts a much rosier picture on everything; in the very long run indexes can, essentially, only go up. However, they leave in their wake thousands of blown out buy-and-holders who held companies that went bust. In that light things were much worse earlier this century than even You Know seems to realize. God didn' step in then, and he won't do so now.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see things get much worse. The rally we saw earlier this year is quite comparable to the "sucker's rally" of 1930. People are still talking about a "bottom" which implies that we are nowhere near one.
No one knows where this will lead, least of all You Know, who imagines that a religion that routinely lies to its flock somehow has, or at one time had, the truth. In reality Robert is infatuated by the vivid WTS doom and gloom scenarios that were pushed by Rutherford and Fred Franz. His congentital antipathy for humanity, the buzz he gets from seeing masses of other people suffer, and his downright disgusting "personality" make him a natural Dub. His big complaint with the WTS right now is that it has gone soft.
Perversely, if Boobie's finnacial predictions actually do come to pass then, as the song says "Robert gonna be the first to go." The profits he made from trading his baseball cards won't go far in a world of hyperinflation. So, better hang on to your $100.00 Robert. You'll need it.
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The Bible advances women's rights
by Rex B13 inour forum's now chapter likes to slander christian believers over alleged poor treatment of women.
in truth, the bible advanced women's rights in the ancient world, even in a paternalistic society.
here are the results of research into this topic.. num 5.12--the trial of bitter waters (sotah) is a an amazing provision by god for a woman to publicly clear her name (and indict a dysfunctional husband in the process).
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Rexie sweetie-pie,
> His imitator, Troglodyte,
Cute, but you've used that line before. Yawn.
>advances some argument that says the O.T. is not made for modern >man....LOL, No duh, Troggy; the Law Covenant was fullfilled and is not to be followed except where the N.T. confirms some moral facet.
Poor baby, you must be tired. Pray tell how the NT and the Law are synonymous? Was not, e.g., Genesis given to all humanity, for all time, modern women included? Did not God himself declare Lot to be a righteous man long before the Law was given? What about when the NT shows some OT "facet" to be immoral, e.g., polygamy, visitation of prostitutes, mindless slaughter? All the long words in the world that you cut and paste cannot deflect the obvious: God changed his standards if the Bible is to be believed.
>It's part of the last dispensation period.
Oh, I see. Rex speaks. You mean God decided that he needed to update his approach so that throwing one's daughters out to be raped, and if that didn't work, screwing them oneself, would no longer be considered a "righteous act." Such social experimentation is unexpected in the Supreme Designer. Just as well modern man has invented a word for this schizophrenic behavior: dispensational theology.
>We are now in the 'church age' dispensation which will end when the >Church of Jesus Christ is raptured.
Like Lot's offspring were? Certainly the Dubs and many others have been royally screwed by cranks like you.
>Customs you say?, the Israelites so far advanced that they must be perfect as compared to the rest of the world?
Nothing like making a woman drink some water with dusty bits in it to determine her fidelity. Perfection is killing everyone except for the virgins whom you promptly haul back to camp for some churchly activities. Perfection Rexy? In your dreams perhaps. Take a look at Tina's list for more examples of "perfection."
>They were usually not in step with the covenant, in case you hadn't >noticed during your tuesday book studies.
So here we have it: Jehovah institutes Judges to rule Israel and it did't work. Then He's peeved that the Israelites naturally want a different system, one which does actually work better according to you. Possibly, because he anticipated your future approval, He gives in to their demands. But that system also ultimately fails. Voila, Dispensation time! That's partly why we trilobites are so mightily pissed off. There we were, doing well. Damn well, in fact, and God decides that he needs to dispissenate on us.
>BTW, the only trap I could have fallen into is one that you dreamed >up after my post.
You have some potential because this statement demonstrates that you can read (or have someone read to you) as well as cut and paste. This trap was, however, known long ago on previous boards. The similarity between the two accounts can _only_ be accounted for by resorting to "ancient Middle Eastern traditions" which naturally included the concept that women were property. Like a sheep to the slaughter you went. Your original reply to me, is a mass of self-contradiction.
Rexster, you simply must the face the facts. You worship a creature that declared a pederast, who would proffer his own daughters to save his skin, "righteous" and, yet, now, would send to hell a man whose only sin is that he mistakenly hops fruit, studies geology and paleontolgy and, presents arguments that Christians are unable to answer. But I suppose it must be hard to be sane and also work for a God who so hates the taking of a census that he will knock off tens of thousands to show his displeasure. Thankfully he don't run the IRS. Yet.
C'mon, Rex, you are joking, right?
Trilobite