two of this board's, and h2o's before it,long time and well known participants have fallen on desperately hard times.
if they could set up pay pal accounts and enough of us could contribute say $20 - $50 per month it would help them though their hardship.. these two people have helped many escape from the wts and i know for sure have given money and other material help to those in need, even when they could not afford it.. if you can help, send an email to: [email protected].
you need not include any particulars of who you are etc, just an indication that you could support this and how much you could send.
Intro,
Of course you're right. I just wanted to move the thread up to the top and also see if we could set the WTS an example. Many here are nonbelievers.
T.
ps: edited; one part Preston's post emphasized that actual acts are more important than talk. That's partly why I posted it here since we all like to talk about stuff so much.
one of the upcoming articles listed in the latest wt is:.
"i appeal to caesar".
just speculating, but could this be an article that explains the ngo/dpi association to the rank and file?.
blondie,
: It is an illusion that the GB controls these articles.
That is so true. Sadly the rank & file actually think that the expositions in The Watchtower are communicated from Jehovah to the GB. It's sad because the org. itself has taught them to believe that - see the page from the 1939 YearBook.
T.
several posters have asked what i thought of the.
revelations about the wt being associated with the un.
as an ngo so i thought i might make a brief comment on.
Lefty,
You're a liar. A condition of affiliation is support of the UN Charter and principles and education of the NGO's constituency on UN matters with a view to motivating public support.
It is disgusting the way you so-called Christians will lie through yr teeth to protect the Mommy who's screwing you up the business end of your intestinal tract.
T.
ps: and also, if being a DPI affiliate is innocuous then why quit when that affiliation comes to light.
two of this board's, and h2o's before it,long time and well known participants have fallen on desperately hard times.
if they could set up pay pal accounts and enough of us could contribute say $20 - $50 per month it would help them though their hardship.. these two people have helped many escape from the wts and i know for sure have given money and other material help to those in need, even when they could not afford it.. if you can help, send an email to: [email protected].
you need not include any particulars of who you are etc, just an indication that you could support this and how much you could send.
$60.00 (3 people)
i read this letter in the editorials/letters secion of the new york times today (oct. 21, 2001, pg.
i thought you guys would find it interesting.. atheists at ground zero.
to the editor:.
Very good post preston, and relevant: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=14168&site=3
two of this board's, and h2o's before it,long time and well known participants have fallen on desperately hard times.
if they could set up pay pal accounts and enough of us could contribute say $20 - $50 per month it would help them though their hardship.. these two people have helped many escape from the wts and i know for sure have given money and other material help to those in need, even when they could not afford it.. if you can help, send an email to: [email protected].
you need not include any particulars of who you are etc, just an indication that you could support this and how much you could send.
Wanted to include Preston's excellent citation in this thread.
Atheists at Ground Zero
To the editor:
I hope that the old out-of-town proselytizers in Lower Manhattan who approach those upset by terrorism will discover some local secular pleasures and stop preying on New Yorkers ("Delivering the Gospel to Ground Zero's Streets," news article, Oct. 18). Maybe they will learn toleration, and bring it home when they leave.
Also, contrary to the missionary who said "there are no atheists in the foxhole," we're right here. We donate blood, money and services to relief efforts. We mourn the dead and console each other without prayer services. And we don't need any more tracts thank you.
Josh Karpf
Director, NYC Atheists
NY, October 18, 2001
end of article
Also, I'd ad that the scarcity of atheists in foxholes says something about who starts and fights wars!
T.
two of this board's, and h2o's before it,long time and well known participants have fallen on desperately hard times.
if they could set up pay pal accounts and enough of us could contribute say $20 - $50 per month it would help them though their hardship.. these two people have helped many escape from the wts and i know for sure have given money and other material help to those in need, even when they could not afford it.. if you can help, send an email to: [email protected].
you need not include any particulars of who you are etc, just an indication that you could support this and how much you could send.
Intro,
Of course. No dollar limits. I was just suggesting the total amount we need to get these guys back on their feet. $2K per month would probably be min. to keep them both going. 2K/100 = $20 each.
One response so far!
Let's make this thread bigger than the UN thread!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll keep track of the totals of how much and how many will contribute and keep posting it here;
So far 2 people and $55.00
T.
here's a good one.. .
hypocrite organization "disassociates" from the un.
they will come to your door soon, and they will bear in hand a magazine that warns you about "'religious hypocrisy".
Lefty,
BX is in no sense a hypocrite; he is merely doing what his religion instructs him to do, or rather not to do. If one has doubts one must not discuss them with one's fellow JWs, otherwise it might create divisions. Talking to the press is different from creating divisions amongst the brothers. After all, the WTS has a grand record of legally establishing and declaring the good news. What does it have to fear from the press.
T.
two of this board's, and h2o's before it,long time and well known participants have fallen on desperately hard times.
if they could set up pay pal accounts and enough of us could contribute say $20 - $50 per month it would help them though their hardship.. these two people have helped many escape from the wts and i know for sure have given money and other material help to those in need, even when they could not afford it.. if you can help, send an email to: [email protected].
you need not include any particulars of who you are etc, just an indication that you could support this and how much you could send.
Two of this board's, and H2O's before it,long time and well known participants have fallen on desperately hard times. If they could set up pay pal accounts and enough of us could contribute say $20 - $50 per month it would help them though their hardship.
These two people have helped many escape from the WTS and I know for sure have given money and other material help to those in need, even when they could not afford it.
If you can help, send an email to: [email protected]
You need not include any particulars of who you are etc, just an indication that you could support this and how much you could send.
If it looks reasonable, I'll contact the two individuals, and if they are willing to set up paypal accounts in their own names we can take it from there.
I realize there will be some legitimate fear of scams but when the time comes to contribute I guarantee there wil be no doubt that the money is going to worth individuals.
Please do not email unless you are almost certain that you could and would do this for, say, the next 6 months. Few of us are well off, but there are a lot of us here and if we could all contribute a little to demonstrate that we look after those who the WTS has hurt.
Thanks,
T.
as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
Hawk, Mac: how about this. We could start a counter thread where everyone posts the letter they sent and to whom...
We seem to be at something of an impasse with the press. Currently, the Guardian seems to have an exclusive. I'd suggest we use that fact to get further publicity for the UN-WTS connection. One way that editors decide if a story is of sufficient interest to warrant follow ups is by the number of letters to the editor that the stories generate. So I suggest that as many of us as possible write to the editor of Guardian Weekly with a copy (cc'd) to the Guardian's editor too.
Also, send copies to the New York Times, Washington Post, As it Happens (Canadian Broadcast) etc. Nothing irks an editor more than to see a rival getting an exclusive. Also, if the Guardian editors see a huge number of letters it will be good for Stephen Bates too, who is doing a sterling job of getting this story out. If the big US papers publish something then the locals will likely follow.
The only way this will work is if we all write letters over the next few days so that the editors see a huge spike in interest. If possible, include something that would suggest a follow up article would be desirable, e.g., demand a response from the WTS. The idea is not so much to get the letter published, although some might be if enough are received, as to deluge the editors and thereby demonstrate global interest.
Be sure to use a provocative subject header in the e-mail subject line: I'm using: Jehovah's Witnesses and the UN: A study in Hypocrisy.
Here are the addresses and instructions (you can ask to be kept anonymous but they may not publish it).
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But if you are among the many readers around the globe who would like to submit an article for possible publication as a "Letter from..." please send it to the new e-mail address of
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Here's a preliminary draft of my letter. Appreciate yr thoughts:
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To the Editor;
I was intrigued by Stephen Bates' excellent article in The Guardian Weekly, following up on previous articles in the Guardian, in which he exposes the hypocritical affiliation between the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York (Jehovah's Witnesses) and the United Nations. As pointed out by Mr. Bates, the Witnesses have denounced the UN, and the League of Nations before it, in apocalyptic terms for over 80 years. Judging by the activity on Witness discussion boards that these article have generated, tens of thousands of Witnesses across the world are asking "Why?" Not just why did the WTS affiliate as an NGO but why did they disaffiliate only two days after the first story in the Guardian? Almost two weeks later the Watchtower remains silent on this issue. Is it possibly because they can find no answer, except, perhaps "Guilty as charged." This silence in the face of worldwide spiritual unrest among the faithful does not bode well for the organization.
As an large international religion the WTS could accomplish much good for its followers, and others, as a UN affiliate. It is a great pity that the Society has decided to sacrifice this opporunity in favor of a mouldy, somewhat whacky, 1930s interpretation of rather obscure imagery in the Bible book of Revelation.
However, all may not be lost. The shock to the WTS that this latest revelation has induced also provides an opporunity for much needed reform; The Society must admit its duplicity, and, in a true spirit of Christian repentance commit to serious and open reform starting with its polices on blood, the handling of child abusers within its ranks and its severe disfellowshipping policy. Aftre that an overhaul of its inconsistent doctrinal basis should be instituted.
Yours etc.,
cc: The Editor, The Guardian
