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  Jack JWs - is this common?

  by new22day in

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  i've heard about jack mormons.

  are there jack jws (folks that partially believe but their lives are pretty worldy) ?

  what are your thoughts about these peeps?

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  new22day

  I've heard about Jack Mormons. Are there Jack JWs (Folks that partially believe but their lives are pretty worldy) ? What are your thoughts about these peeps?
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  A question about lying and the Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Change Name in

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  i have seen questions regarding how much jehovah's witnesses lie all the time on yahoo answers.

  here is the latest question:.

  jehovah's witnesses, is lying at any time something jehovah approves of?.

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  Isn't it ironic that an org. that claims it's "the Truth" has written instructions on how/why it's OK to lie? Why would Jehovah need to instruct an org. to lie about his holy guidance when leading people to 'the truth' (esp. when these lies are so easily verifiable, and would turn any thinking person right off)? Under this train of thought, wouldn't Jesus have been justified using "Theocratic Warfare" to save his skin?
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  First [brief] conversation w/elder for years

  by AK - Jeff in

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  in my area, i am labeled an 'active apostate', among other things i am sure.

  i live in a very small town, and bump into elders who hate me beyond words.

  if they could, i am sure they would gladly stone me before the entire villiage while chanting 'apostate, apostate.'.

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  new22day

  What an anti-social goof. I'm from a small town years ago and know how hard it is to have a private life. Good for you. He's a nut job and you're a free man. Hold your head high and proud, just as you did!
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  I have a dumb question re: publishing corp...

  by new22day in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  many of you refer to wts as a rich publishing corp. since the mags they pass out are free i don't understand how they make money from them?

  sorry for the dumb question - curious newbie....

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  new22day

  And Finkelstein answers the question. So it's just man's ego and lust for power, which at the end of the day always seems to be the ultimate driver of all things bad, and maybe the scariest. Cuz they might really be deluded and belief it. Oh dear God.
  
  (btw: you can PM me for a copy of my book - it's called "The Bat in the Hat" - I accept donations of $10 a book - lol)
  Thank you for taking the time to respond to me. I could've used search but I appreciate the conversation with all of you smart people.

  Peace
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  I have a dumb question re: publishing corp...

  by new22day in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  many of you refer to wts as a rich publishing corp. since the mags they pass out are free i don't understand how they make money from them?

  sorry for the dumb question - curious newbie....

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  OK - things are much more clear to me. Thanks all.
  Thank you Clarity. Your analogy was good. (BTW: I'm writing a book. Hoping you guys might buy, print, publish and distribute it for me. I promise I'll save your soul. No really I will. I'm God's channel - we chat everyday. Trust me. ;)

  Leaving_Quietly - thank you for all the information. It was very enlightening and helpful. I read something about the Charitable Planning dept. a long time ago and was disturbed by this although it is not a total uncommon practice.

  All of this leaves me wondering about the motivation of the org. It would be great to say it was monetary, but no one seems to be personally getting rich here. And yet, many are choosing to live in reduced circumstances. Interesting.
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  I have a dumb question re: publishing corp...

  by new22day in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  many of you refer to wts as a rich publishing corp. since the mags they pass out are free i don't understand how they make money from them?

  sorry for the dumb question - curious newbie....

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  Thank you Finkelstein. It's still hard for me to wrap my head around the profit ratios here, but I guess the sheer volumes of material in relation to meager donations (plus new recruits) all add to millions of dollars in their pockets. The property that's donated is another issue. (I'm a never JW and the thought of seniors donating their estates to the WTS disturbes me to my core.)

  I assume the leaders of the Gov. Body can't (easily?) live flamboyant lifestyles so I wonder where the money goes (knowing they don't do charity)? What's the point? Who's benefitting here? Do the leaders, in some deluded way, really believe what they are selling? (That question is a bit rhetorical and no response needed to that.) It's just a weird business arrangement and makes one wonder, where the money goes. All future legal costs aside.
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  I have a dumb question re: publishing corp...

  by new22day in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  many of you refer to wts as a rich publishing corp. since the mags they pass out are free i don't understand how they make money from them?

  sorry for the dumb question - curious newbie....

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  new22day

  @NeverKnew. Thanks for the post. It's disturbing to read it all laid out that way. No wonder it's so tough to break through. I don't know how JWs can survive the boredom.

  (btw: I've read many of your posts these last few months and your QAs, dialogue really helped me understadn somethings. I think you're extremely articulate and intelligent in your approach with your friends and you seem to be able to maintain a good sense of humour. Good on ya! I wish I would've had just an ounce of your patience when I was with my ex. LOL Patience is not yet my virtue.)
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  I have a dumb question re: publishing corp...

  by new22day in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  many of you refer to wts as a rich publishing corp. since the mags they pass out are free i don't understand how they make money from them?

  sorry for the dumb question - curious newbie....

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  new22day

  Thanks Honesty for laying that out for me. So JWs ask for donations for the mags when they give them out (I've never made it that far in a door to door convo to be asked).

  (I do recall coming home after school one day when I was little with some scary 'Watchtower'magazines (a JW must have given to me) and showing them to my Mom. She laughed, tossed them in the trash and told me not to read that garbage.)
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  I have a dumb question re: publishing corp...

  by new22day in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  many of you refer to wts as a rich publishing corp. since the mags they pass out are free i don't understand how they make money from them?

  sorry for the dumb question - curious newbie....

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  new22day

  Thanks everyone for answering my question. A few more...

  Are donations voluntary/private? Do people have to contribute or can they get away with no donations and still be a member?
  Are elders paid?
  Do the members of the Gov Body live modestly (if anyone knows)?
  I wonder where the money goes as the income seems high and costs seems low but many imply their finances may be tight.

  (I'm not trying to create outrage or press anyone's buttons - I'm just really curious about how it works...)
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  I have a dumb question re: publishing corp...

  by new22day in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  many of you refer to wts as a rich publishing corp. since the mags they pass out are free i don't understand how they make money from them?

  sorry for the dumb question - curious newbie....

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  new22day

  Do you mean members pay out of their own pockets for the mags? Yikes! That's a great deal for the org.