i was doing some research in the very first issue of golden age (forerunner to awake!
), published october 1, 1919, and couldn't believe what madness was contained on some of its pages.. for example, i can't believe i missed this clipping when i was researching my article on racism in early watchtower literature a year ago..... .
segregation of black children is basically praised as "wise" and "probably an advantage to all concerned.
" I heard about toxic wastes being burried at the Farm and the Watchtower had to pay to clean it up. Was this true?"
Yes, hxxp://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111227/NEWS/112270319
Can't seem to be able to post live links, but I guess that is becuase I don't have enough posts.
Sad news. 65, that's nothing.
so, the two local congregations were planning to hold their memorial together at 7:30 at the local community center, but they had to make a last-minute change to their own hall, and i'm pretty sure it was because of me.. let me explain.... at work on monday afternoon, a co-worker returned from her lunchbreak and showed me the memorial invitation that was waiitng in her door when she went home for lunch.
i noticed the sticker on the back indicated the memorial was being held, not at the local hall, but at the community center.
from a past (non-jw) event i attended there, i knew they didn't allow alcohol (unless you pay for security guards), so i wrote to the center's coordinator:.
Good story and I'd be pleased if I'd coursed such inconvienence to fellow JWs.
What I don't understand is that the community centre is obliged to have a security guard just because there will be one bottle of wine. It just seems strange and a waste the people hiring the centre's money and the security guard's time. Mind you I am presuming this happened in the USA, so maybe I shouldn't be suprised by such an odd rule.
can you help verify or disprove the follwing please.. many thanks.
the bible does not say eve was the only woman does it ?
adam and eve may have been the first human couple created, but there is nothing to say that he didn't create moret than one man or more than one woman, does it ?
There was no Eve, nor was there a Garden of Eden. Plus we can be 99.9% that God doesn't exist and even if he does then, unless said god is a bit stupid, the Bible is not his divinely inspired message for mankind.
Hope that clears everything up.
cicero,illinois 1970's.
our four day assemblies in the 1970's through the 1980's were pure torture.. they were held at a horse race track in cicero,il in the smoking hot and humid month of july.
they charged around $2 for parking.
"Within 10 minutes of the start of the boasting session, we were confronted by an overzealous snot-nosed punk attendant who had to be at least 17years"
Reminds me of last time I attended a disctrict assembly (1996, which seems like a lifetime ago)
I'd long since became inactive and hadn't bothered attending one of these things for a couple of years, I'd also recently moved house and as part of trying to get my life back in order I got it into my head that maybe a change in congregation was needed to renew my faith.
To cut a long story short I never quite got around to attending my local kingdom hall but did a few weeks after moving get a leaflet about that years district convention shoved through my door. Said convention turned out to be at the Manchester MEN Arena, literally 10 minutes bus ride followed by a 10 minute walk across the city centre from my new house so I decided to attend the last day as after all they were having a "drama presentation" and as a "member of the public" (didn't really regard myself as a JW anymore at that point) I was "invited to attend".
The MEN Arena is a massive 20,000 seat concrete carbuncle built ontop of the city's Victoria Railway Station meaning that, in those pre-disability access act days, the only way to reach the entrance hall from street level was up a massive flight of stone steps. As soon as I reached the top steps I found my way blocked by two teenaged ID badged turds "politely" asking me if I required the box office.
I didn't really think anything of it, I simply explained I was Brother **** ****** previously of ****** **** congregation and that while I was inactive I had decided to attend the convention to see if it would help me to renew my faith. They seemed a little dubious as by that time I'd let my hair grow down to my shoulders, was developing a nice goatee beard (something that had coursed concern for my spiritual welfare at my congregation) and was wearing a corduroy jacket and Doc Martin boots rather than the regulation suit and tie a brother is supposed to wear.
But looking back both as a much more self-aware 38 year old and as someone a lot more knowledgeable about how people and the Watchtower Society work I can see that those two stuck-up little twits were making a value judgment about me. They saw me and thought "he couldn't be one of us/he couldn't be interested in our work" And maybe this is just paranoid but I do believe at the very least my presence was noted and I was probably observed for at least part of the time I was there.
So did I find the spiritual renewal I longed for? Hell no, the only people I saw from my congregation blanked me, the talks were just as boring as I remembered them being and I went for a curry rather than stay for the afternoon session.
I'm so glad I'm out.
so.....a jw friend brought me a $12.00 cuban cigar.. what's the big deal??
as far as i can tell, yuch!.
what am i missing?.
A JW friend bought it you? Are they allowing smoking these days?
I've always presumed the only reason Cuban cigars are "popular" in the USA is that they are an illegal item thanks to the USA's pointless trade embargo against Cuba.
The only thing cigar's have going for them is that they are slightly less vile than cigarettes.
"if it was'nt for the preaching work there would be millions more witnesses" - he was saying jehovah wants quality not quantity.. si i'm thinking, what's the difference as long as he has a people that live by bible standards and are moral.
maybe sharing their hope and faith with friends and relatives on a casual basis?
how backwards is that?.
kurtbethel said "Actually, the preaching work does turn off people to the point that they don't want anything to do with Jehovah's little church."
I suppose that's why they appear to have stopped door to door witnessing where I live (a semi-rural suburb of a large English city) but every time I go into the town centre they have a stall in front of the same abandoned shop. They used to leave it unattended but now there is at least one brother manning it dawn till dusk, guess it was subject to a prank or vandalism...
grumblecakes said "a DO once said at pioneer school that genetic information is only passed thru the fathers side, women are only incubators, thus "scientifically" giving evidence of the headship arrangement. "whaa?!?!"
Wow, I remember being told that as well!
when you were a jw did you get together with family or other jw's on christmas day?
most people have off so it would be convenient.
in my mind, if you got together with family or jw's shared a meal or drinks, perhaps watched a movie or played games you did celebrate the day.
I used to stay over Christmas Eve at my wordly Grandmother and then we would spend the day at my worldly younger sisters house with her husband, children and my father.
Frankly I loved it as it was (and, despite my Gran recently passing away, always will be) a highlight of my year. Two days of guaranteed quality time with my 6 very favourite relatives, anyday I would take that over a boring morning at the Kingdom Hall followed by witnessing to people who more than at any time of year didn't want you bothering them.
We used to exchange presents and that would bother me a little but figured it was done out of love so if Jehovah had a problem with it then, well, I'd worry about it at Armageddon. Perhaps not a great attitude for a brother but like many things the JWs look down on I really thought it wasn't a big deal.
very, very sad to learn of the death of sir patrick moore.
i've been following his programme the sky at night ever since the first one.
he started my lifelong interest in astronomy, and is partly responsible for my sons' careers.. wonderful enthusiasm!.
Well, this seems like a safe place to make my first ever post.
Just agreeing with everyone here when I say that this is such sad news, a good man who inspired many. He will be missed.
