Posts by fifth.column

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Wow! Things have moved on!

by Oneoutallout in

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this is only my second or third post.

my previous posts were under the username piglet.

i couldnt remember my log in details so i have now changed my username, which i feel is more relevant now anyway.

fifth.column

very encouraging for me, thanks for sharing. I hope I can write the same in the near future...

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France Bethel Balance sheet

by Viva la Vida in

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friends

on these links we can have a look at the french branch balance sheet, at least the ones that were submitted to the government.

i don't speak french neither i'm an accountant so maybe someone here can made a bit of more of sense out of them.

http://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/publications/assoccpt/pdf/2012/3108/434966719_31082012.pdf.

I speak french, but I don't understand anything in these financial documents. I don't think that a word translation would help. But if you want a specific information, I can try. I did not see something special.

This document is a financial report after an audit by an external expert, called "commissaire aux comptes".

When you 're a compagny or association it is a good idea to have this done each year, and to attach it to your tax declaration form.

Fifth

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How Do I Explain To My TalkTherapist That JW's Believe They Will Never Die?

by LoisLane looking for Superman in

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i know for us exjw's that have awakened from this religion, it seems incredulous that we ever.

could have believed we were going to live forever and never die.. not just never die, but never die, like i was raised to believe with.

the millions now living will never die, garbage.. i said that to my highly educated professional therapist last week.. her eyes got big, and she said gently as to a child, "loislane, we are all going to die".. yes, i know that now, but that is not what my religion taught and i believed, for 60 years.. any thoughts on how i explain this lunacy to her?.

fifth.column

Hello,

I used to think I would never die, I expected to keep my parents with me forever.

I opened the eyes 2 years ago during my mid 30's, could not sleep the next night.

And you can't speak with anybody : not to family, not to colleagues or friends, without looking stupid.

It hurts, and you're alone. Except in places like here. Thanks.

Fifth

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WATCHTOWER IN A PANIC!

by JW GoneBad in

jws are in need of more kingdom halls in many major u.s. cities.

at this years agm where it is expected that most of the faithful will be able to listen to the meeting (being tied in by video), dont be surprised if the wts 8 gb members take part in a symposium delivering some long winded appeal, petition, plea, proposal, proposition, solicitation or otherwise hit-on the masses for $$$ in order to lighten the burden and overuse that many kingdom halls are experiencing.

an acquaintance from the west coast mentioned to me that in late august thru early september of this year that a number of pow-wows involving close to 5,000 elders from numerous areas (riverside, los angeles, ventura and orange counties) took place to drum up financial support from the 800+ (not sure) congregations in those areas.

fifth.column

Hi there,

In Europe we had this kind of survey during the last years, before launching big projects.

Fifth

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Going to the meeting tonight ARGH!!!! So wanna end this pain NOW!

by Julia Orwell in

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friends

i'm only going to the meeting because of my husband!

i was 'in' solo for years while living with my unbelieving family and i know how it feels to be the only one in your house going to the meeting.

i also respect my husband's decision, and know what it's like to have family try to tear down your beliefs.

fifth.column

Sorry Julia.

We are so many in the same situation around the world...

We truly love our family. Our family ready to shun us in one second, after a quick decision of 3 stupid men...

For my part I do my best to avoid suffering to my wife.

But I know how it is hard. You're not alone, keep this in mind during meetings, it helps.

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Zone visit in France - April 21, 2013

by fifth.column in

fyi, a zone visit is scheduled in france for sunday, april 21, 2013. .

at bethel : only do, some co, a few bethelites and long time elders will be invited to attend.. in each kh : only elders, ms, and pionneers will have the priviledge to attend the direct live retransmission (each kh is used by several cong).

the rf will have to wait for the mp3 file.... no hierarchy ?

fifth.column

I'm a lurker since a few years. I learned a lot of things on this forum and other websites.

Born in, family deeply involved, I think I now have a clear view. But family is held hostage. My wife cried for days when I decided to stop going to the meetings, so I went back after only one week. But she knows what I think and how I feel.

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Zone visit in France - April 21, 2013

by fifth.column in

fyi, a zone visit is scheduled in france for sunday, april 21, 2013. .

at bethel : only do, some co, a few bethelites and long time elders will be invited to attend.. in each kh : only elders, ms, and pionneers will have the priviledge to attend the direct live retransmission (each kh is used by several cong).

the rf will have to wait for the mp3 file.... no hierarchy ?

fifth.column

Thank you Lois.

My wife is still a faithful and zealous JW, but some points disturb her some times.

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Zone visit in France - April 21, 2013

by fifth.column in

fyi, a zone visit is scheduled in france for sunday, april 21, 2013. .

at bethel : only do, some co, a few bethelites and long time elders will be invited to attend.. in each kh : only elders, ms, and pionneers will have the priviledge to attend the direct live retransmission (each kh is used by several cong).

the rf will have to wait for the mp3 file.... no hierarchy ?

fifth.column

Sure, I was there for the announcement. Almost sleeping, but awake enough...

My wife understood like me, she was a bit upset about that.

The problem is, in my KH, like in a lot of KH in France, we are 4 congregations and 1 group. It is not possible to gather all the proclaimers during the retransmission.

I know that last time some cong organised an 2nd meeting just after for th R&F. It was not done in mine.

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Zone visit in France - April 21, 2013

by fifth.column in

fyi, a zone visit is scheduled in france for sunday, april 21, 2013. .

at bethel : only do, some co, a few bethelites and long time elders will be invited to attend.. in each kh : only elders, ms, and pionneers will have the priviledge to attend the direct live retransmission (each kh is used by several cong).

the rf will have to wait for the mp3 file.... no hierarchy ?

fifth.column

Hi everybody,

FYI, a zone visit is scheduled in France for Sunday, April 21, 2013.

At Bethel : only DO, some CO, a few bethelites and long time elders will be invited to attend.

In each KH : only elders, MS, and pionneers will have the priviledge to attend the direct live retransmission (each KH is used by several cong).

The RF will have to wait for the mp3 file...

No hierarchy ?

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France : no more local bank accounts for congregations

by fifth.column in

i just joined a few days ago.

still in (physically, not mentally...) for family reasons... how many attendees at the kh in the same situation ?

currently living in france, wont say more on me for the moment.... .

fifth.column

Sorry, the letter was not on the board, and I did not take any risk by asking for it. I'm already looked suspicious (lost privileges...) after I raised some questions to check some things I read here (was not a good idea....questions of course!). No more information from my part for the moment on this subject. But some other posters from Europe confirmed that same kind of arrangement in their countries (sometimes only for the saving account).