source: http://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/publications/assoccpt/pdf/2015/3108/398996694_31082015.pdf.
"nothing is hidden.
jehovah's eyes sees everything.
Be careful this doc is relative to ONE specific region (East) in France, and the numbers mentioned above are on a specific found for solidarity.
Any way, since the change 4 years ago, nobody understands in France where the money goes today. When the guys gives the numbers from the platform we do not have a complete view of what is sent.
But everybody is in agreement of a significant drop-off since...
at the end of april, there was a zone visit in france, with tv broadcast in all kh.. g. losch told he received a letter from a girl, 10 years old, baptised at 5, reg pioneer since 4 years !
what a fine example, he said....... let s imagine the faces of the parents in the kh!
i was happy to see i was not the only one to find it crazy.. if you have a child, you know how mature he is at 5. how can a child preach 2.5hours/day after 7hours of school and homework to do??
Hello guys,
Sorry I made no record.
But as Losch spoke in French, I'm sure I understood correctly. My wifewho is still IN too, we had a long discussion in the car about it, she was very upset.
And I can't lie, I was raised as a JW (just kidding!)
I found a thread started 2 weeks ago on a French forum on this : http://www.forum-religion.org/watchtower/la-violence-psychologique-infligee-aux-enfants-t33372-30.html
Even if you don't speak French, you will notice the sentence in red near the bottom of the page :
Lettre d'une fillette de 10 ans Pionnière permanente depuis 4 ans, baptisée à 5 ans !
=> Letter of a 10 years girl, pioneer since 4 years, baptised at 5.
at the end of april, there was a zone visit in france, with tv broadcast in all kh.. g. losch told he received a letter from a girl, 10 years old, baptised at 5, reg pioneer since 4 years !
what a fine example, he said....... let s imagine the faces of the parents in the kh!
i was happy to see i was not the only one to find it crazy.. if you have a child, you know how mature he is at 5. how can a child preach 2.5hours/day after 7hours of school and homework to do??
Sorry, no record of it, we were not allowed to do that .
At the very beginning of the event they said that we were encouraged to take notes, but we should'nt share, even with brothers & sisters. We could only summarize by our own words. Do you have something to hide?
By the way, he gave his speech in French. Nice, but sometimes very hard to understand... and as he was reading his paper, he was very boring... (or maybe it is always the case ?!)
at the end of april, there was a zone visit in france, with tv broadcast in all kh.. g. losch told he received a letter from a girl, 10 years old, baptised at 5, reg pioneer since 4 years !
what a fine example, he said....... let s imagine the faces of the parents in the kh!
i was happy to see i was not the only one to find it crazy.. if you have a child, you know how mature he is at 5. how can a child preach 2.5hours/day after 7hours of school and homework to do??
At the end of April, There was à zone visit in France, with TV broadcast in all KH.
G. Losch told he received a letter from a girl, 10 years old, baptised at 5, reg pioneer since 4 years ! What a fine example, he said......
let s imagine the faces of the parents in the KH! I was happy to see I was not the only one to find it crazy.
if you have a child, you Know how mature he is at 5. How can a child preach 2.5hours/day after 7hours of school and homework to do???
i was reading on a european ex jw forum where some feel that watchtower's railing against higher education is primarily for north america issue.
this is due that many in usa and canada leave home to leave on campus.
it was mentioned that many young european jw attend universities and its not frowned on.. i found this odd because i heard what morris and losch said about education in italy.
in France, we hadt he same instructions on not going to university. However, it seems that in most cong (depending of your BOE) these instructions were only counsels, not mandatory. 10 years ago, you had the choice to follow or not.
Today, I think it is a bit more complicated, we are pressured to follow more closely our American mother. Depending of your cong., if your father is an elder, if you want to avoid him some trouble while going to university, you have to pionneer every time you can.
Same for the beard.
hi everyone, fyi :.
at the mid week meeting we had a letter, and a video to explain the extension project for the french bethel for the next 3.5 years.
the video was 5min long, in 3d (nice job in fact...) to show the future buildings for flats and offices (translation, video dubbing...).
Of course they did...Big brother was watching...
I had a look on your introduction post, we are in very similar situations, and maybe close geographically (Paris - east). Sometimes during meeting I wonder how many in my Hall go to this forum...it gives hope ! Or maybe not...don't know...
hi everyone, fyi :.
at the mid week meeting we had a letter, and a video to explain the extension project for the french bethel for the next 3.5 years.
the video was 5min long, in 3d (nice job in fact...) to show the future buildings for flats and offices (translation, video dubbing...).
The bethel is at Louviers, 100km from Paris (North West)
I think nobody (except us) notice that the borg grab the money by closing branches, and then ask for more money to extend one... incredible idea, and it works !
They make 4 years plans to build, so, logically, they plan to use these facilities for what, the next 15 years ?
In the same time, most of the time you're considered not spiritual if you make 10 years plans... (education, buying a house...)
hi everyone, fyi :.
at the mid week meeting we had a letter, and a video to explain the extension project for the french bethel for the next 3.5 years.
the video was 5min long, in 3d (nice job in fact...) to show the future buildings for flats and offices (translation, video dubbing...).
Hi everyone, FYI :
At the mid week meeting we had a letter, and a video to explain the extension project for the French Bethel for the next 3.5 years. The video was 5min long, in 3D (nice job in fact...) to show the future buildings for flats and offices (translation, video dubbing...). The need is greater (...), and they have to relocate some members after some branches closures.
Of course, at the end, they explained that all that requires volunteers and lot of money ( why is there a need of money, as they closed several branches under France supervision, and sold their building ??? )
i'm sure i read a thread here about the new congregation accounting procedures.
i ask because i handle the accounts in our cong and in our part of the world the new accounting system has just arrived whereby local congs do not have their own account any longer, but all funds outside of basic monthly costs is forwarded to an account controlled by the org.
this is causing huge confusion in our cong as we have to work out how much we need to keep back for monthly costs and the new idea is that you send all your extra cash to the org and if you need it back you can ask for it but we don't know how easy or hard it would be to do that.
Hello from France ! It is the same in France, it changed 18months ago, seee my previous post : http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/243341/1/France-no-more-local-bank-accounts-for-congregations
I still do not have all details on this new accounting system, I asked some questions but it was not well perceived... I think it is like TheDog1 explained.
Since that, what is strange is that we only know how much cash is given in the boxes. We have no idea of how much is given by checks (very common in France), because it is automatically sent to the national account.
But we still sometimes receive a letter of thanks from the branch, and in my congregation, the offerings dropped a lot since this new process !
I think we will have a special talk very soon...
there's a lot.
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one that i just don't understand is that no one should hold hands during a prayer.. where the hell do they come up with these rules??
To be more precise with beards in France :
An elder can have a beard, although it is strongly discouraged. But he won't be allowed to give talks outside his KH (other KH or conventions).
By extension, this stupid rule is the same for every brother for convention. Recently, a friend of mine was asked, 3 days before the convention to cut his beard, or he couldn't not go to the platform for his demo.
