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In The Name of Love, Need Your Opinion

by thankyou in

i'm non-jw.. been following this forum.

most of you folks have been through hell, but are still loving souls.

i'm reeeally impressed and glad to be here.. my question is at the end of this.

thankyou

GL Tirebiter,

Thank you. I'll keep your nice explanation as a reference and c/o the recommended reading.

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"Always remember that your friend is taking a risk just by being your friend, especially with you being a non-believer and of the opposite sex".

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Yes, I was reminded of that today. I try not to pressure her by texting a brief text once a week only and calling about once every week and a half.

When we were "together", she didn't have enough money to keep minutes on her cell ph. So, we would go to Walmart n I would buy some for her.

Other day I got her voicemail n left msg was going to buy her some cell minutes and to call me if ahead of time if she didn't want them.

She didn't call. So today, to help her out, I added some minutes to her cell ph. When I called her to check if ph co. added the minutes, she ranted on about not to buy her cell minutes and not to call her.

I'm getting fed up real fast. (Today I spent some time w/a normal concurrent girlfriend. It was so nice . No drama, no intrigue. As I've told her, even at 53 she could still get work as a model)

But, this JW girl is a "piece of work". I'm about to lose romantic interest in her. But, I still definitely want to help her, but she's making even that difficult.

So, being close to me at the beginning wasn't a problem, but assuming that it now is because of her JW,

What is the best way to deal with her JW mindset so that I can help her.

I mean if worse comes to worst, I can actually forget about her, BUT my conscience will bother me every day for the rest of my life. My gut feeling is that if I cut off contact w/her she most likely will never again voluntarily contact me.

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In The Name of Love, Need Your Opinion

by thankyou in

i'm non-jw.. been following this forum.

most of you folks have been through hell, but are still loving souls.

i'm reeeally impressed and glad to be here.. my question is at the end of this.

thankyou

Morpheus,

"She's in a cult that teaches her to hate people like you"

Although it wasn't like that at the beginning, it seems to be the way things have become.

PLEASE, can you explain/teach me everything you about how they go about causing the person to become hateful, the mindset of that hateful person, and how to "break through" to reach the hateful person to help them.

Thanks

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In The Name of Love, Need Your Opinion

by thankyou in

i'm non-jw.. been following this forum.

most of you folks have been through hell, but are still loving souls.

i'm reeeally impressed and glad to be here.. my question is at the end of this.

thankyou

Silvia et AL,

Silvia, your concern re real property and the comments of others in this forum re property has acted as a catalyst:

I have a plausible theory, which is that: this gal that I'm smitten with is used by JW as a pawn to target real property owners and those w/at least a modicum of money. She then turns the person(s)over to the local KH folks for "processing."

I recall a few yrs ago that my Mom had told me that when her well-to-do older sister passed away, this sister's good-hearted, but naive spoiled, drug using son, (who had inherited the house) was particularly distraught,/vulnerable joined the WatchTower and transferred legal title of the expensive home to Watch Tower.

I'll leave aside, for now, questions like: is "Jehovah" the same God to whom Christians and I pray. And, to what extent is this gal I'm interested in aware what she is caught up in and does she really want "out" of it (JW)?

Early on in a restaurant while I was looking her straight in the eye, I could read her thought and subsequent demeanor which was: "Oh, I don't want to hurt you [my name]"...and looked sincerely remorseful.

I brought her to my home and told her she was welcomed at any time to stay with me and that I would help her "get on her feet". It explains why she came home with me (kinda dangerous), cause she wanted to c/out the property.

It explains why when I respectfully didn't try to "make out" with her at home, she later respectfully became really deeply enamoured w/me.

After 2 days, I needed a break from the situation. It was intense mutual attraction/controlled. I phoned her a few days later. She said to me "it's really dangerous for you, so I don't know when I can see you again".

Maybe it's kind of like the "spy" who falls in love with the opposing country's adversarial "spy".

It explains why she said she has to "keep moving". It explains why she appeared so poor, yet had personal knowledge of some well-to-do communities.

I could go on n on, this theory answers/explains so many questions in my mind till now.

Perhaps instead of ripping me off, I'll be able to help her get free from the oppression IF that is what she wants and IF I'm strong-competent enough to carry it out.

I want to say more, but got stuff to do right now.

Any, and all, ideas are more than welcomed!

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In The Name of Love, Need Your Opinion

by thankyou in

i'm non-jw.. been following this forum.

most of you folks have been through hell, but are still loving souls.

i'm reeeally impressed and glad to be here.. my question is at the end of this.

thankyou

Talesin,

Thank you. I understand and really appreciate what you are saying.

Thanks

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In The Name of Love, Need Your Opinion

by thankyou in

i'm non-jw.. been following this forum.

most of you folks have been through hell, but are still loving souls.

i'm reeeally impressed and glad to be here.. my question is at the end of this.

thankyou

Hi Silvia,

Thanks.

Yes, I do own real property 2 houses in TX, a Townhouse in CA and a Townhouse in FL/4 properties. I never told her that. Although she did come home with me to the FL property. But, it's easy enough to look up online in most states.

If I look at this objectively, I really have to come down on the side of it being a "set up". There's just too much specific coincidence. And, you have experienced similar kinds of things.

I have to agree with you also that I am smitten and appear to be groping around in the dark while I gather information.

On the other hand, no, no, I do not ever intend to study the bible with JW or any other religious group.

With all the wonderful help I've received from you folks, I'll be ok.

I just want to help her, if I can. And, there's more time needed and work to do before making a determination if that's going to be the best/prudent thing to do.

Thanks Silvia. Your input (and everyone else's) is truly appreciated!

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In The Name of Love, Need Your Opinion

by thankyou in

i'm non-jw.. been following this forum.

most of you folks have been through hell, but are still loving souls.

i'm reeeally impressed and glad to be here.. my question is at the end of this.

thankyou

Tal,

Thank you kindly for your post.

Yes, I've been trying to educate myself on this religion.

Sorry, I may have misled you. By "spiritual match", I didn't mean to imply spiritual "compatibility", but rather a "spiritual challenge"/possibly battle to overcome what "controls" her.

I was happily married to a Filipina from the Philippines for many years. We had a great relationship. BUT, she had 6 sisters and 2 brothers. They outwardly practiced Catholicism, YET simultaneously/quite furtively practiced their indigenous "native" "religion" which involved "chants", "curses", "mind control" etc. She was inherently less into it and watched herself carefully around me. And, must have sensed my innocent unsophisticated love for God could help her and that's why she was so devoted to me. I had the "pleasure" of hearing her sing happily in the last days of her life. Guess she was given to know that she was going to Heaven. The last day of her life, she was so calm and natural and totally ok with where she was "going." She was a very loving soul, never heard her say a bad word about any person in all those years we were together. And, somehow she left me with all her love, which I now have a need to give to others.

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In The Name of Love, Need Your Opinion

by thankyou in

i'm non-jw.. been following this forum.

most of you folks have been through hell, but are still loving souls.

i'm reeeally impressed and glad to be here.. my question is at the end of this.

thankyou

OneEyedJoe,

Heck, you're doing a great job of explaining things. I'm eternally grateful.

Misogynistic, geez! She has so many problems. Minority, female, poverty, 99% chance of history of abuse, possibly emotional-mental issues, and now caught up in this kind of situation.

I'm sure there are many layers to her. But, to me she comes across as a nice person.

The location the JW set up in is "extremely" coincidental then. There are other beach parks, and even within this beach park there are many places to set up such a public display.

Here's another coincidence. She is black. One of the JW gentleman is black. They both have the same first name which can be used as either masculine or feminine. I assume her total innocence, but it's a significant amount of coincidence.

With all her problems, it just makes me want to help her even more.

I never wanted to pry into how long she has been a Witness and/or how deep her beliefs are.

The only thing I ever said to her was that "I checked out your religion online and it looks like a lot of people feel it involves mind control". "And, I hope you can get out of it.."

She didn't say anything.

She is extremely bright, so she must know at some level.

Thank you again very much!

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In The Name of Love, Need Your Opinion

by thankyou in

i'm non-jw.. been following this forum.

most of you folks have been through hell, but are still loving souls.

i'm reeeally impressed and glad to be here.. my question is at the end of this.

thankyou

OneEyedJoe,

Thanks for your analysis-advice !

It was sobering. It reminded me that in life where obfuscation, confusion, too much uncertainty etc. are involved there is often a nefarious element present.

Interesting though, looks like I've met my spiritual match.

Thanks again!

p.s. May I ask, at the risk of sounding paranoid. Do you think this was a set-up? I mean I've been living here 1 year and no JW ever set up a public contact-recruitment type thing anywhere around there. I mean they were in the EXACT spot where this girl and I discussed a critical step in the forming of a relationship. And, to be setting it up at this time too.

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In The Name of Love, Need Your Opinion

by thankyou in

i'm non-jw.. been following this forum.

most of you folks have been through hell, but are still loving souls.

i'm reeeally impressed and glad to be here.. my question is at the end of this.

thankyou

Hey Silvia,

" Oh my goodness...this is getting good"

Get your coffee and your napkin-tissue, cause it's getting even better.

I'm in a Fla coastal city. It has miles n miles of beachfront with many attached parks.

What are the odds of this happening.

Today in the VERY SPOT where this JW girl and I stood on the sidewalk at the end of our second day together discussing whether we had a future, today JW set up a brochure stand with 2 chairs with 2 JW guys, one of whom fortunately is a younger black gentleman.

Only she, GOD, and myself knew about this spot.

I had a nice long discussion with them about she and I. They are really patient and do listen.

One JW gentleman said she's keeping her distance cause she doesn't want me getting between her and Jehovah.

And I agree that I would never want to get between GOD and her.

The other gentleman said to start studying the bible with them and tell her about it and it may draw her back to me.

She loves Jehovah, and I love God.

IF they are one and the same thing, this might just have a happy ending.

What say you/folks?

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In The Name of Love, Need Your Opinion

by thankyou in

i'm non-jw.. been following this forum.

most of you folks have been through hell, but are still loving souls.

i'm reeeally impressed and glad to be here.. my question is at the end of this.

thankyou

GL Tirebiter,

Thank you for that clear and comprehensive explanation. It's very much appreciated.

May I ask you 2 questions?

(1) What, if any, is the consequence or significance of being deemed "spiritually weak"?

(2) What's the deal with a JW member who is unmarried and "disassociates" herself?

I ask because early on this gal I'm interested in told me that she wrote/mailed an important letter constituting a very big day in her life. At the time I had a "gut feeling" that it involved her association with her JW religion. Unfortunately, I chose not to be too nosey and ask about it.

Thanks