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  Life in a spiritual (UN)-paradise

  by Reasonfirst in

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  a long, long time ago, when i was young, i became a 'special' pioneer.

  it meant that i had to spend 150 hours a month, and i received a small allowance.

  i was then assigned to a small country congregation, in western nsw (australia).

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  Rivergang, I don't think that the situation between young brother, and the girl was similar to a priest (or, any other holy joe) taking advantage of a young girl. J would never explain to me, how that young man had got to know that girl, or how the relationship had developed, but I have never imagined that he had any position of responsibility to the girl. So, to me, it was just two young people losing control of their feelings and going all the way.
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  Life in a spiritual (UN)-paradise

  by Reasonfirst in

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  a long, long time ago, when i was young, i became a 'special' pioneer.

  it meant that i had to spend 150 hours a month, and i received a small allowance.

  i was then assigned to a small country congregation, in western nsw (australia).

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  And, paradises, even the dumb heavenly ones, also need some arrangements for living. But my home for the next year or so, was even a bit less than I expected. As any sort of pioneer worker, you knew you were not going to afford a mansion. But .... I didn't expect what I got in this assignment.

  As previously described, after the night train trip, we arrived at the station. I had a suitcase, (my worldly belongings, plus of course, the obligatory 'theocratic' library. J said we needed to take a taxi, because it was just outside the town border. OK. When the taxi arrived, we got out and I asked J, where's our accommodation, and he said, "There," pointing to a small one room building on the edge of an old quarry.

  I began to wonder what I'd gotten myself into. Later, I heard that building's history. It had once been the kitchen for a homestead. When the quarry work began, the homestead was demolished, leaving only the kitchen for the use of the quarry workers. What was it like inside? Well, it had an old fuel stove, a bunk bed (i.e.2 levels) and that was it? There was no electricity and no water. I asked J, where's the bathroom and the toilet? He pointed up a hill opposite to a cattle trough and said, "we wash up there in that, and get our drinking water there, too !" and then pointed to the quarry, and explained, "Just go down into the quarry and dig a hole - just like the ancient Israelite soldiers."

  A pile of WT and Awake magazines (packed in rolls as the WTS packed them for mailing) that they hadn't placed sat on a small table. The next day we collected even more from the Post Office.* So that's my start, as a SP. PIO.

  Month's later, my father, passing through this town on the way too somewhere else, stayed with me for the night. In the morning, as he left, he said to me, "You're living a bit rough, son!" He was not a believer, in spite of his sister becoming a nun.

  * I finished up with over 1500 unplaced mags. When the Circuit Servant came for his 6 monthly visit, I asked him what should I do with the old ones. He looked at them and snapped at me, "Place them, of course." Yeah! That would've tested even Jesus' miraculous powers.

  As more and more rolls accumulated, and my conscience was more and more tested, I thought I'd get rid of them by burying them in in a dry creek bed. So I did. The dirt was hard, and I couldn't make the holes too deep. So I did what I could. It hadn't rained much for a whole year, but a few days later a downpour. When it stopped, I hurried to the creek, to make sure they were still buried. But, they weren't - they were floating, most face up, looking reproachfully up to Jehovah.
  
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  Article: Face of Co Kerry woman jailed for grooming and having sex with teenage boy

  by Tahoe in

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  this is the first image of the convicted child groomer who confessed to her jehovah’s witness congregation that she groomed a boy from the age of 14 before having sex with him two years later.. .

  perverted pamela lonergan, who went on to work in childcare settings and as a carer in the community, admitted four counts of defilement of a child under the age of 17.. the offences occurred at locations in kerry and cork in 2008 and 2009.. appearing before cork circuit court earlier this month, lonergan of treanmanagh, glenbeigh, co kerry, received a one year jail sentence for the offences.. speaking afterwards, one local said the community had been stunned to learn of lonergan’s abuse.. he said another neighbour had met lonergan on the road the week before the trial and she had told him she was moving up to cork for a while.. “ obviously she thought her name wasn’t going to be disclosed in the media,” he said.. “if the victim hadn’t waived his anonymity to allow this happen, she’ have come back here when she got out and we’d have been none the wiser.”.

  cork circuit criminal court heard lonergan was 26 when she first started initiating contact with the minor, having met him in a social setting.

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  This is a complex situation and it's even more complicated when you examine the applicable laws in different nations.

  For example, the age of consent in Australia is 16, so I think it unlikely that the legal authorities would have taken any action against the woman in question. And maybe, in Australia, the 16 y.o boy would have already sex with a similarly aged girl.

  Just to illustrate, recently on a train, this conversation was overheard, a young boy, who looked about 14, was talking to a girl. He had his phone's volume turned right up. Cant say I took much notice of the conversation, until: A young girl's voice saying, "I'm gonna come over to your place this evening, and suk your dik for an hour."

  In Europe, there is hodgepodge of legal ages for sex; Refer the document referenced here: https://fra.europa.eu/en/publication/2017/mapping-minimum-age-requirements/consent-sexual-activity-adult#:~:text=The%20lowest%20minimum%20age%20is,sexual%20acts%20between%20young%20persons.

  So no matter what American christian's think, sex is a primary instinct that has a very strong influence on our bodies and minds.

  I think back to when I was young and involved in the scout movement. In the town I then lived in, a camp hut had been built. One wall had 9 bunks (in 3 tiers) built in. It was not uncommon to see a young kid in every bunk busy masturbating.
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  Life in a spiritual (UN)-paradise

  by Reasonfirst in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a long, long time ago, when i was young, i became a 'special' pioneer.

  it meant that i had to spend 150 hours a month, and i received a small allowance.

  i was then assigned to a small country congregation, in western nsw (australia).

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  OK, I'm assigned to this country town, where everyone knew nearly everything about everyone else. My assigned partner, a Bro J. was about my age and also came from Sydney. He had spent some weeks at his parents home, before I was assigned as his partner. So we travelled to this country town by train, arriving there early in the morning. A few people were on the station when the train arrived, including a group of youths.

  As we got off the train, they spotted bro. J and one yelled out, Hey! J, is your mate M. still fukking the XXXX girl???

  Australia was still somewhat conservative about sexual matters in those days, and topics like that were usually whispered about, not shouted out in public. Bro.J answered non-committedly, and hurried me out of the station.

  So finally, I knew what had happened to my predecessor. I knew him, of course, and had actually spoken to him a few weeks before. I'd asked him why he'd come back to Sydney and stopped pioneering, after only about 6 months in that assignment. He'd been very guarded in his answers.

  Still, not bad for a Sp. Pioneer, not only getting to know a non-jw girl (a local Bank manager's daughter), but shagging her as well.
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  Life in a spiritual (UN)-paradise

  by Reasonfirst in

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  a long, long time ago, when i was young, i became a 'special' pioneer.

  it meant that i had to spend 150 hours a month, and i received a small allowance.

  i was then assigned to a small country congregation, in western nsw (australia).

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  fulano (and others) - this was in the 1960's. And, apart from occasional invites to a meal by individual people, there were no organised 'special reward' activities.

  Drearyweather. A good question, that involves not just an individual (like me) but the whole religious concept. In deciding to post these experiences, I intended to discuss that aspect as a final post.

  This period (I think I was about 22) was somewhat formative in my life. And, of course, I was following the 'official' line of thinking and acting.
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  Life in a spiritual (UN)-paradise

  by Reasonfirst in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a long, long time ago, when i was young, i became a 'special' pioneer.

  it meant that i had to spend 150 hours a month, and i received a small allowance.

  i was then assigned to a small country congregation, in western nsw (australia).

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  I was only the latest Sp. Pioneer to be assigned to try and help this small part of the so-called 'spiritual paradise.'

  Two women Sp. Pioneers had been sent there a few years before me. One of them was Sister A.

  Suitable accommodation was always a problem in country towns like this, and these two found a room in an old, former catholic monastery, that was mainly housing dead-beats. Coming home after a days H2H work, they often had to step over one of those sort of guys who would be dead-drunk in the hall way.

  So just how Sister A, got involved with a man that spent most of the time drunk, I don't know. But get involved she did, and married the guy. In time the marriage deteriorated and he would bash her up. I'm not sure how this ended up. But i guess it was all part of living in a spiritual paradise.
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  Life in a spiritual (UN)-paradise

  by Reasonfirst in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a long, long time ago, when i was young, i became a 'special' pioneer.

  it meant that i had to spend 150 hours a month, and i received a small allowance.

  i was then assigned to a small country congregation, in western nsw (australia).

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  thank U scary 21

  Another member of this small country congregation was Sister I, who lived in a condition of constant depression and who seldom spoke. Why? Well, some years before, her son had been hospitalised and the medical staff wanted to give him a blood transfusion. Advised by the congregation, Sister I said NO!

  But the boy died, and the whole town (then numbering about 3000) turned against her, leading to her depressed condition..

  Some years later, when I was no longer in that area, I heard that Sister I, had committed suicide.
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  Life in a spiritual (UN)-paradise

  by Reasonfirst in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a long, long time ago, when i was young, i became a 'special' pioneer.

  it meant that i had to spend 150 hours a month, and i received a small allowance.

  i was then assigned to a small country congregation, in western nsw (australia).

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  A long, long time ago, when I was young, I became a 'special' pioneer. What was so 'special' ? It meant that I had to spend 150 hours a month, and I received a small allowance.

  I was then assigned to a small country congregation, in western NSW (Australia).

  In those days the WTS talked a lot about the JW org, being a spiritual paradise.

  So what was this part of the spiritual paradise like? I'm going to describe what the experiences of people in this part of the spiritual paradise were like.

  There was one main family in this part of the paradise, But by this time only the Grand mother, mother and a daughter attended meetings. The husband had once been the Congregation Servant (this was before elders). Then during a Circuit Servants (another out-of-date term) visit, something the husband had done caused the CS to want to remove him as Congregation Servant, So the Circuit Servant waited to the last day of the visit, gave the main talk, then during the WT study, drove to that family's home, broke in, and removed the congregation records. Wow! when this was discovered, that was the end of the husband's theocratic career.

  But wait, that's just the beginning of this story .......... !
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  Gods on Paper and Stage

  by peacefulpete in

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  were the works of homer, aeschylus, sophocles, etc.

  acting blasphemously when creating their works of fiction because they included the gods in the stories?

  when homer placed dialog into athena's mouth, was he wrong to use his creativity to make her come alive for an audience?

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  And, for even more complicated thinking try Allen Brent's, A Political History of Early Christianity, in which Brent tries to piece together the changing ideas which eventually led to Constantine's conversion and 'that' particular version of early Christianity become the official state religion of his empire, and many subsequent empires and individual states.

  I wont try to discuss his arguments, it get's too complicated.
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  Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay

  by IWant2Know in

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  2. experiences

  i'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.

  it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.

  but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.

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  IW2K: Quote: "Well, that's fascinating. Also, I had never heard of that before. Plus, thank you for your comments."

  It's an interesting topic, involving B.O.Y. creative abilities, intentions and whether or not he exists. Christian reasoning places low value on sex, but it remains as one of basic motivations in human life.

  Anyway, I've had enough to say. But, if you were fascinated by the Japanese women who studied gay men's relationships (they called themselves 'fujoshi,' which can be translated as 'spoiled' or even 'rotten' women.)

  I wonder what you'll make of Haesindang Park in South Korea. Wikipedia (for convenience) describes the park:

  Quote: "Haesindang Park (해신당 공원), also called Penis Park, is a park located on the east coast of South Korea, in a city called Samcheok, ... in Gangwon Province. The park is noted for its number of phallic statues. The collection created by Korean artists displays various forms of "hanging arrangements to three-meter tall trunks of wood", for joy, spirituality and sexuality. A small Folk Museum titled "Village Folk Museum" has exhibits of art objects on the "sex iconography" over ages in different cultures, shamanic ritual."

  Check out the images:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haesindang_Park

  and, https://www.wandering-traveler.com/penis-park-korea/

  and, https://lateralmovements.com/penis-park-haesindang-south-korea/

  Don't blame me, I didn't plan that park