Posts by gingerbread

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Anyone going to the memorial this year?

by Pyramid God in

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i was invited by my parents, and even though i have nothing but contempt for this religion, things have been good in our relationship so i was considering going just to appease them.

anyone else?.

gingerbread

We will. The kids aren't. Going to sit with the in-laws. We haven't walked into the hall for a few months. And Mr. Ginger has a beard.

Should be interesting....

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Gerritt Loesch life story .... Total hypocrisy

by Skinnedsheep in

as written in the july 15 2014 wt.

what gerrit used to believe and teach.... the roman catholic teaching of apostolic succession claims that there is an unbroken succession of popes in a line extending all the way back to the apostle peter.

(the church misinterprets jesus words that are quoted at matthew 16:18, 19.

gingerbread

I just finished reading this article on JW.org.

What a grand delusion he weaves - and believes. It's the age old JW story of a single 'worldly' guy who hears the 'truth' and decides to devote his whole life to the organization.

How many times have we heard the stories of sleeping with out any heat, trudging through snow at night to use the outhouse, relying on the 'brothers' to support you - all sacrifices in order to pioneer. If you tell a line of b.s. enough, you'll eventually believe it.

The comment that he didn't take a taxi to the brother's home - where he'd be staying while 'serving' the congregation - and walked instead because he didn't want to appear uppity ... I think I just gagged a little.

I'm suprised his arm isn't broken ... after patting himself on the back so much!

ginger

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Reverse Witnessing - Will NEVER work!

by MissConfused in

its been a while since i spoke up.

after a lot of 'tactful' questioning, i have come under the conclusion that witnessing ttatt with dubs will never work.

there is nothing called reasoning with them.

gingerbread

Pick your battles wisely. Be patient. Show them - by your example - that a person can be happy, content, positive and productive without the Kingdom Hall.

ginger

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What is the point of Judicial Committees??

by quellycatface in

i've had 2 jc's, both resulted in reproof.. but.....in church, the vicar asks us do reflect quitely on anything that we have done that we're not happy about and to ask for forgiveness in our heart.

knowing that jesus will forgive us, if we are sorry and have faith in him.

good.

gingerbread

It is used under the guise of 'readjusting' a person through love using the scriptures as the source of encouragement.

Anyone who has ever been involved (on both sides of the table) in a judicial investigation or committee know that is a lie.

It was established to 'keep the congregation clean' - meaning to expel any who continue to break God's laws : as pre-determined by the Watchtower Society.

Disfellowshipping is the worse thing that can happen to a Jehovah's Witness. It destroys everything.

The Judicial actions are a public display of power and control - and public humiliation of anyone who has broken the 'rules'. An elder that keeps a relative or friend out of a judicial committee is also a way to demonstrate power and control - over the other elders.

ginger

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I don't find this stuff amusing anymore

by sparrowdown in

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i would just like to get this off my chest.. during the public talk last sunday the speaker (bro holden m'groin) said in public talk: .

" if you ask any 16yr old girl what she wants out of life, she would probably say a home, a family etc etc" (because obviously this is still 1955).. anyway that got my attention i thought " hmm....where is he going with this?"..

bro holden m'groin goes on .

gingerbread

This kind of self-righteous 'preachin' confirms the bias that good Jehovah's Witnesses are better than everyone else in town.

The facts prove otherwise.

And any woman who comes into 'the Truth' with a sketchy past will always be looked down upon.

ginger

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I made my daughters cry last night.....

by Ugottabefresh in

...when i told them i didn't believe anymore.

they cried like i'd never seen before.

my oldest, 10, pleaded with me that she'd do anything to get me to keep going to meetings ("i'll get a's on my report card!").

gingerbread

Pick your battles wisely.

And be honest with yourself - treat your children like you would have liked to be treated at their age. If they ask about how babies are born you wouldn't go straight to explaining how forceps are used or the risks of an epidural or how the doctor performs an episiotomy.

If you're mad at the Org. or "the kid's mother", don't use the kid as a pawn.

Just some 'motherly' advice...

ginger

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The watchtowers biggest mistake

by Truthexplorer in

the moment the leadership of the wt (a publishing company whose purpose was originally to produce pamphlets and books to edify christians) first made the claim to be gods sole channel of communication for dispensing biblical truth here on earth.

that not so discreet assumption has now left them wide open to 'everything they teach as truth'.

as a result, every time an error is exposed or a teaching is changed, their credibility will continue to be affected.

gingerbread

Let's not view the Bible Students through rose colored glasses. Early Watchtower magazines point to Charles Russell's Studies in the Scriptures as the definitive authority on the Bible - and was the only publication being used by Jesus to spread "Truth".

If they (and later Rutherford's Jehovah's Witnesses) wanted to only print Bible study aids for people, they would have remained a Christian publishing house. Or they could have taken it one step further and created a New York mega-church.

Instead, by seeing themselves as the human representatives (and future kings) of God's heavenly government - with the only way, truth and (new) light - the WT leadership put themselves into a pickle. They gambled with the pickle and it has payed off - with an amazing amount of loyalty by the faithful membership to the WT organization and it's Governing Body.

In their eyes, remember, they don't make mistakes.

ginger

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What was the "theme" of each decade?

by ILoveTTATT in

if you could list the major themes of the watchtowerland per decade, what would they be?.

for example, 2010-2014: overlapping generation, gb=fds, jw.org, 100 years.

2000-2009: harder stance on higher ed.. 1990-1999: generation no longer a major doctrine.. 1980-1989: getting over 1975, ray franz, year of peace, end before 20th century ends, generation is 70 years old.

gingerbread

Thanks Millie -

I've been thinking about this gradual evolution/transformation in the 'Society' for some time. It's based on reading as much as I can about the history of the organization and the people who held key positions of power and influence.

I've had my own personal experience to draw upon (came in as a kid in the early 1970's) and the expressions of some that we've known - from different parts of the United States - that were Witnesses since the 1930's, 40's and 50's.

Understanding the past is essential to understanding the present (and future)!

ginger

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What was the "theme" of each decade?

by ILoveTTATT in

if you could list the major themes of the watchtowerland per decade, what would they be?.

for example, 2010-2014: overlapping generation, gb=fds, jw.org, 100 years.

2000-2009: harder stance on higher ed.. 1990-1999: generation no longer a major doctrine.. 1980-1989: getting over 1975, ray franz, year of peace, end before 20th century ends, generation is 70 years old.

gingerbread

I'll define it by century:

19th - Honest hearted Bible Students who were a special people chosen by God as the final part of the 'remnant' annointed. Sharing God's plan with mankind was the mission. A non-religion who met informally in small groups and used Russell's writings as a study aid. The end of the world was coming in 1914.

20th - God has a chosen "earthly organization" who's mission is to spread the good news of Christ's enthronement to the world. The message is geared toward increasing the organization's population by active proselytizing - to bring 'honest hearted / sheeplike people' into the the 'great crowd' or "the Truth". Families would soon be entering into the "New Order" hand in hand to welcome back their resurected relatives and friends.

21st - The leadership of the central organization takes complete control of the membership. Matters of individual conscience and personal decision making cease to exist. Jehovah's Witnesses are now a religion - with a hierarchy (laity and clergy), the confessional and penance. The leadership is no longer a faceless group. Obeying the organizational structure and rules override scriptural principles.

ginger

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Is the U.N. preparing to attack Religion

by confusedandalone in

about 5 minutes ago i get an article emailed to me from my mother telling me that i need to find a way to get back to jehovah and his saving arm... she read an article in a reputable newspaper that all the friends are using to show that its not just jehovahs witnesses who see religion about to get attacked by the u.n.. it concludes with a link to the article and her desire for me to please read it in light of my recent situation.. .

here is the article http://www.examiner.com/article/is-the-un-preparing-to-attack-religion.

the writer bill underwood is a jehovah's witness.

gingerbread

Meanwhile....Fox News reports that in the United States there is a vicious "War on Christmas"....

On a serious note - JW's want the United Nations to "attack" religion so their own (Joseph Rutherford/Fred Franz) invented prophecy will be fulfilled.

That event will prove that they are RIGHT and now God can kill everyone who doesn't believe in him or JW.org.

And all Jehovah's Witnesses will have nice big brand new homes wherever they want. And it'll be perfect.

ginger